government mandated slavery

[AKA_Monet]

I am really trying hard to understand how come any kind of community service for young people is not a good idea.

I imagine how non-profits suffer due to poor numbers of volunteers on their projects.

[StargazerLily]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am really trying hard to understand how come any kind of community service for young people is not a good idea.

I imagine how non-profits suffer due to poor numbers of volunteers on their projects.

I'm thinking of people with bad attitudes who dont want to be there because they feel like they've got better, more important things to do. As someone who might be interested in doing the community service, I would hate to get behind in whatever it was I was doing because I was working with some slacker who was holding me back.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by StargazerLily

I'm thinking of people with bad attitudes who dont want to be there because they feel like they've got better, more important things to do. As someone who might be interested in doing the community service, I would hate to get behind in whatever it was I was doing because I was working with some slacker who was holding me back.

So, thinking more objectively, is this a substantive reason to criticize this as a policy for the elected-administration?

[StargazerLily]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So, thinking more objectively, is this a substantive reason to criticize this as a policy for the elected-administration?

Have you ever had to put your life in the hands of someone you didnt trust? Why dont you ask a servicemember who has, and see how they feel about it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by StargazerLily

Have you ever had to put your life in the hands of someone you didnt trust? Why dont you ask a servicemember who has, and see how they feel about it.

FAIL.

[darling1]

at some point all of us have had to put their life in the hands of someone they dont trust. what does that have to do with where we could be heading going forward?

the best you can do is to be as prepared as you can, do your part, stay aware and the rest you leave to your faith (if that is what you believe) or to chance.

Originally Posted by StargazerLily

Have you ever had to put your life in the hands of someone you didnt trust? Why dont you ask a servicemember who has, and see how they feel about it.

[darling1]

i agree with your comments! i do not see a problem with this. in maryland/dc/va it is a requirement of highschool students.

i don't see why anyone would have a problem with paying it forward and giving back to people that are in need. serving in the military is not the only way you can demonstrate patriotism.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am really trying hard to understand how come any kind of community service for young people is not a good idea.

I imagine how non-profits suffer due to poor numbers of volunteers on their projects.

[Fiyah98]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am really trying hard to understand how come any kind of community service for young people is not a good idea.

I imagine how non-profits suffer due to poor numbers of volunteers on their projects.

I was thinking the same...

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Fiyah98

I was thinking the same...

The last thing I would want is for any of my loved ones in hospitals or nursing homes to be subjected to some kid doing "forced" community service.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The last thing I would want is for any of my loved ones in hospitals or nursing homes to be subjected to some kid doing "forced" community service.

Just asking, what makes you say that?

No one can be forced to do anything. If they want to get money to go to college, then have to have X amount of community service...

I'd rather these kids do community service to see what real life is like than to say what they said to my husband after they found out how long they have to go to school to become a physician--"I ain't goin' to school that long!!!"

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Just asking, what makes you say that?

No one can be forced to do anything. If they want to get money to go to college, then have to have X amount of community service...

Then I equate it to someone who has zero interest in the military enlisting so they can get money for college. I don't approve of that program either. You should be in the military because you want to serve your country, not to get something from it and gritting your teeth the whole time. That isn't how the GI Bill was supposed to work. I say the same about community service. Do it because you truly want to, not because you're checking it off on a resume or to get $$ for college. That isn't "service" from my vantage point.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Then I equate it to someone who has zero interest in the military enlisting so they can get money for college. I don't approve of that program either. You should be in the military because you want to serve your country, not to get something from it and gritting your teeth the whole time. That isn't how the GI Bill was supposed to work. I say the same about community service. Do it because you truly want to, not because you're checking it off on a resume or to get $$ for college. That isn't "service" from my vantage point.

I understand why you would want a person to want to do what they're doing, but that is not entirely realistic.

I have no problem with someone enlisting just so they can get an education. They can grit their teeth through their military service as long as they do their job well and dont cause any problems (that includes having a bad attitude).

I think that suggesting that young people should only do community service because they want to is sending the wrong message. In life we all have to do things that we don't want to. As you grow up you realize that you cannot always do what you want and get what you want in life.

That's like an employer saying that an employee should complete detailed weekly reports because they want to and not because they want to get a promotion or a check at the end of the week. Incentive motivates people. That is the whole point behind paying college students for community service. People do what is necessary as a means to an end. The goal is to get $4,000 for school and the way to get it is to serve your community. A lot of the choices young people will make in the real world will be reflective of this situation. In life young people will want things. Getting these things will be their goals. Young people need to learn that nothing will be handed to them. If you want to achieve your goals then you have to make a plan and execute that plan. Said plan will most likely include many things that the person will not want to do, but the person will have to do them as a means to achieve the goal. That is how life works.

Frankly, I think college-aged people should understand this (and use this to their advantage) and middle school and high school students should be learning this. The grade school students would come out of highschool with a healthy respect for community service and would go into college being rewarded for the service they do.

[AlphaDeltaDelta]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Then I equate it to someone who has zero interest in the military enlisting so they can get money for college. I don't approve of that program either. You should be in the military because you want to serve your country, not to get something from it and gritting your teeth the whole time. That isn't how the GI Bill was supposed to work. I say the same about community service. Do it because you truly want to, not because you're checking it off on a resume or to get $$ for college. That isn't "service" from my vantage point.

This is why we don't put you in charge of the military, since if the US was a volunteer only force without the GI bill, we wouldn't have nearly the number of soldiers required to "protect America's interests" around the world.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I think that suggesting that young people should only do community service because they want to is sending the wrong message. In life we all have to do things that we don't want to. As you grow up you realize that you cannot always do what you want and get what you want in life.

That's like an employer saying that an employee should complete detailed weekly reports because they want to and not because they want to get a promotion or a check at the end of the week. Incentive motivates people. That is the whole point behind paying college students for community service.

Your logic is faulty. Completing weekly reports on your job is something you have to do FOR YOUR JOB. Obviously if you don't do your job you don't get paid. If I do community service, my employer isn't going to reward me in any way - because it has NOTHING to do with my job. Why should a student studying theater have to volunteer at a nursing home? It has nothing to do with their career path.

Oh, and if you pay someone for it, IT'S NOT SERVICE.

Originally Posted by AlphaDeltaDelta

This is why we don't put you in charge of the military, since if the US was a volunteer only force without the GI bill, we wouldn't have nearly the number of soldiers required to "protect America's interests" around the world.

If we weren't so insistent on remaining the world's policeman that wouldn't be a problem. But that is another thread.