Shocked & Disgusted - Page 11

PrettyBoy · #**151** 11-08-2008, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Like some HOTT yoga... Like some muy caliente Cholula? Like some Voodoo Sauce? Like some 5 stars in a dive Phad Thai restaurant...

Delicious diversity... Fusion!!! YAAY!!!

For you lame jokers who are sweatin' and hatin' on our new president, shut up and just......

AKA_Monet · #**152** 11-08-2008, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

Thanks, Monet. At first, I wasn't sure...it was just a gut reaction, you know? But I've thought about it and I guess...well, I've been under attack for supporting Obama, which I expected but it's made me a little touchy nonetheless. Then, having someone I've bonded with say Democrats are evil and ungodly...if it'd been a stranger, I'd have been mad but brushed it off fairly quickly. But hearing someone I know say it made me wonder if that's really what she thinks of me and my family! I know it wasn't personal, but it was such a harsh and unfair judgement. Plus, the fact that she didn't even know what she was talking about...this girl is studying to be a lawyer. If she acts like this based on what some random guy said with no proof, then that makes ME fear for the future!

Welp, just like PB said, folks are still sweatin' President Obama...

PM me though, I've got sumthin' for that which you speak of...

To counteract what she says though is called "assertive speech"--the key is when she said it to you, how did you feel? Exactly? Angry, hurt, alienated? What? Don't tell me, think about it for yourself.

Then once you identify your feeling, you could ask her in this format:

When you say XYZ, I feel ABC and I wonder how you feel about me and my family?

Because 9X outta 10, she is hearing these incendiary comments from people she highly respects without questioning their authority...

That does not mean you stop being friends with her, it just means the nature of your relationship changes. And you can tell her so...

PrettyBoy · #**153** 11-08-2008, 04:25 AM

Obama is the 44th president right? Everybody was cool 43 presidents earlier, but now jokers are.......

preciousjeni · #**154** 11-08-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

To be honest, I couldn't care less if the non-Obama supporters get over it. That's their damn business if they don't. They'll just have to learn the hard way. Let them continue to live in the fantasy world that they're in. I don't know where they've been, but where I'm sitting, things have been hard as hell, the economy is in the septic tank, and there wasn't a glimmer of HOPE until Nov. 4th. Now, that there is some semblance of normalcy returning to our lives, the folks that love the status quo are getting all riled up. However, we need to realize that some people just can't be pleased, nor do they WANT to be pleased, moreso because President-elect Obama is Black.

My favorite quote has ALWAYS been "I can show you better than I can tell you" and that will most certainly be effect for the Obama/Biden administration. He'll just have to show the naysayers that he means business. When life improves, there will STILL be people that don't want to admit it. Why? Because President-elect Obama is Black and they would rather saw off their left leg with a rusty butter knife than to admit it. However, everyone can't be pleased. Let them sit their unhappy, uptight, and cranky asses on the sidelines while we move forward to a better future.

Yes, racism is ugly. Yes, racism is alive and well. Yes, it makes us angry, especially in a society where everyone SHOULD be progressive thinkers. However, the only appropriate thing to do is to ATTEMPT to educate. If that doesn't work, tell them to shut the hell up, sit the hell down, and move the hell on. Life is too short to waste on ignorant people that will go to their graves with their ignorant thoughts.

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

This . . . this just doesn't . . . well, this doesn't really apply to anything, at all.

Don't get me wrong - it's wonderful prose. But who are you talking to? Seriously - who?

Perhaps you missed the comments like:

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

Like the white guys at the gas station who were raving about how the country's going to the dog's because "that stupid n******'s coming into office." Or the nurse at my job who said "the two names together sound like 'osama bin laden' why on earth would I vote for that?" Mostly, it's the comments on Youtube under Obama videos, such as (edited for content):

"THIS DUMB N****R!"

"F*** OBAMA BITCHEz STUPID N****R SHOULD GO BACK TO DA COTTON FIELDz"

"f888 n*****s. i can't wait to see this f******g country burn to the ground with this dumba** coon as president."

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

"remember obama becareful with having dreams cause remember the last black guy who had a dream.. he got shot lol "

"F*** obama, a N***** AS PRESIDENT? Watch that b***h is getting assassinated "

AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

DrPhil · #**155** 11-08-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

That is not how I think. I don't expect everyone to hug and sing Kumbaya tomorrow.

Good. There are so many more interesting things to be

over.

DrPhil · #**156** 11-08-2008, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

shut up and just......

Like mindless drones? No, thanks. There's a middle ground.

KSigkid · #**157** 11-08-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

For you lame jokers who are sweatin' and hatin' on our new president, shut up and just......

You realize how ridiculous this line of thinking is, right? Like DST said, there's a middle line to be drawn, and expecting people to just follow blindly because you like the candidate in question, it's just not realistic.

That's not to say that, if things improve, people won't back him. But telling people to "shut up" is ignoring reality and forcing your own beliefs onto others.

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Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

To be honest, I couldn't care less if the non-Obama supporters get over it. That's their damn business if they don't. They'll just have to learn the hard way. Let them continue to live in the fantasy world that they're in. I don't know where they've been, but where I'm sitting, things have been hard as hell, the economy is in the septic tank, and there wasn't a glimmer of HOPE until Nov. 4th. Now, that there is some semblance of normalcy returning to our lives, the folks that love the status quo are getting all riled up. However, we need to realize that some people just can't be pleased, nor do they WANT to be pleased, moreso because President-elect Obama is Black.

My favorite quote has ALWAYS been "I can show you better than I can tell you" and that will most certainly be effect for the Obama/Biden administration. He'll just have to show the naysayers that he means business. When life improves, there will STILL be people that don't want to admit it. Why? Because President-elect Obama is Black and they would rather saw off their left leg with a rusty butter knife than to admit it. However, everyone can't be pleased. Let them sit their unhappy, uptight, and cranky asses on the sidelines while we move forward to a better future.

Yes, racism is ugly. Yes, racism is alive and well. Yes, it makes us angry, especially in a society where everyone SHOULD be progressive thinkers. However, the only appropriate thing to do is to ATTEMPT to educate. If that doesn't work, tell them to shut the hell up, sit the hell down, and move the hell on. Life is too short to waste on ignorant people that will go to their graves with their ignorant thoughts.

People on this thread aren't denying that racism is out there. They're not denying that racism is affecting people's judgment on Obama. There will always be people who will hate Obama because of the color of his skin. There will always be people who will let their prejudices color their better judgment.

But...there are also people who aren't excited about a Obama presidency for other reasons. People who don't like his foreign policy. People who aren't thrilled about his tax platform, or his domestic platform, or something. People who have reasons that go beyond the color of his skin.

It scares me a little that there are people who think that 100% of the people should accept his policies right away, or that, just because he may be better than Bush (an admittedly low standard), that he'll have 100% approval on the merits.

He'll never be accepted 100%, even by those who are looking beyond race. People should realize that and accept that, and not criticize those who aren't ready to back him.

RedefinedDiva · #**158** 11-08-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

This . . . this just doesn't . . . well, this doesn't really apply to anything, at all.

Don't get me wrong - it's wonderful prose. But who are you talking to? Seriously - who?

I'm speaking in general (to no one in particular, here or otherwise). And most certainly, my comment applies. The thread may have "evolved" since then, but my comment responds to the questions/comments posed by the OP. My post wasn't meant to stop, interrupt or quiet the discussion. I rolled in, started reading, and responded.

Phrozen1ne · #**159** 11-08-2008, 11:30 AM

Any way it goes, he will be the president of the U.S. Non-supporters are entitled to their opinion. Everyone can and should be critical of their leadership, but in the end he is our (supporters, non-supporters) President. Some folks didn't like Bush or his policies, but he was our Prez for 8 yrs.

Glad that $h!t is over.

PhiGam · #**160** 11-08-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Obama is the 44th president right? Everybody was cool 43 presidents earlier, but now jokers are.......

Huh???

KSigkid · #**161** 11-08-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Obama is the 44th president right? Everybody was cool 43 presidents earlier, but now jokers are.......

You realize the previous 43 Presidents were open to criticism too, right? That there were people who criticized them soon after their election?

People are going to criticize Obama throughout his Presidency, for a host of legitimate reasons. You're going to have to get used to it, or you're going to have a frustrating and aggravating 4 (or more) years.

DrPhil · #**162** 11-08-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

You realize the previous 43 Presidents were open to criticism too, right? That there were people who criticized them soon after their election?

People are going to criticize Obama throughout his Presidency, for a host of legitimate reasons. You're going to have to get used to it, or you're going to have a frustrating and aggravating 4 (or more) years.

I felt like I was reading a 10 year old's perspective on presidents. People on both sides of the aisle don't realize how silly this election has made them look. They were always silly but needed a reason to bring it out.

KSigkid · #**163** 11-08-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

I felt like I was reading a 10 year old's perspective on presidents. People on both sides of the aisle don't realize how silly this election has made them look. They were always silly but needed a reason to bring it out.

Are you saying my perspective was "a 10 year old's perspective?" Or PB's?

Not that I'm self-conscious or anything...haha.

DrPhil · #**164** 11-08-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

Are you saying my perspective was "a 10 year old's perspective?" Or PB's?

Not that I'm self-conscious or anything...haha.

We were both responding to PB.

He's the one doing all the "gotcha" giggling and the "sexual chocolate!!! bow down, bitches!"

UGAalum94 · #**165** 11-08-2008, 02:21 PM

I'm hoping that the criticism won't be as bitter and personal as it was with Bush and Clinton, but I think it's important to recognize that not all of Obama's projected policies as expressed are good or realistic ones. Apparently the campaign realizes it too as the community service plan goes from required to voluntary, etc, and whatever else the right-y blogs are mentioning today.

It does seem a little childish to assume that people who opposed Obama's political ideas should all get on board because he won. People should probably ask themselves if they feel that way about the outcomes of the 2000 and 2004 elections. If you told yourself anything other than "well, Bush is the President now, we need to get behind all of his policies," it seems ridiculous to expect people do to it for Obama. 6% doesn't seem like a mandate to me.

ETA: I see this was previously covered nicely by Dr.Phil (DSTChaos? Queen of Sheba) and others on the last page.