Shocked & Disgusted

[OneTimeSBX]

i babysat this young man, he is 16 now, i call him mom my white aunt and love their family dearly...this is what his myspace bulletin said today...


"I just want to straight up know why some people in this US are so stupid. Seriously f*cking tell me now. Why the hell would you want Obama to be president. Give me you're f*cking reasons. B/C I've done my research, ALOT, and OBAMA cannot be trusted. I'm just can't beleive people are so stupid"

its the parents faults. and i dont blame his parents, i blame the rednecks in the completely white school he attends...

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

i babysat this young man, he is 16 now, i call him mom my white aunt and love their family dearly...this is what his myspace bulletin said today...


"I just want to straight up know why some people in this US are so stupid. Seriously f*cking tell me now. Why the hell would you want Obama to be president. Give me you're f*cking reasons. B/C I've done my research, ALOT, and OBAMA cannot be trusted. I'm just can't beleive people are so stupid"

its the parents faults. and i dont blame his parents, i blame the rednecks in the completely white school he attends...

Wow. You do realize, right, that there is no reason for you to take that as ANYTHING other than he disagrees with his policies?

That's YOUR prejudice coming through, not his.

[christiangirl]

The facebook statuses I've seen are a little salty, but not openly racist. I only see the statuses of people on my friends list and they KNOW they don't dare put something racist up knowing full well I'll see it. They are bitter and hater-ish, but not openly racist. Mostly, they refer to him as an "anti-Christ" "Communist" and a "baby-killer." That's bad, but not like the other stuff I've heard from strangers who don't care about my feelings.

Like the white guys at the gas station who were raving about how the country's going to the dog's because "that stupid n******'s coming into office." Or the nurse at my job who said "the two names together sound like 'osama bin laden' why on earth would I vote for that?" Mostly, it's the comments on Youtube under Obama videos, such as (edited for content):

"THIS DUMB N****R!"

"F*** OBAMA BITCHEz STUPID N****R SHOULD GO BACK TO DA COTTON FIELDz"

"f888 n*****s. i can't wait to see this f******g country burn to the ground with this dumba** coon as president."

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

"remember obama becareful with having dreams cause remember the last black guy who had a dream.. he got shot lol "

"F*** obama, a N***** AS PRESIDENT? Watch that b***h is getting assassinated "


AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

and what is a bit ironic about that is when they (as usual) have been both white, people got some bad results from both....heh!

The internet is a wonderful place to say things that you don't dare say aloud in front of folks....so I am not surprised that a lot of this is going to be happening for the next 4 to 8 years.


Love that last statement...you don't wait on something that you should already have that you desperately deserve,especially when the rest of the world is already doing it.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

The facebook statuses I've seen are a little salty, but not openly racist. I only see the statuses of people on my friends list and they KNOW they don't dare put something racist up knowing full well I'll see it. They are bitter and hater-ish, but not openly racist. Mostly, they refer to him as an "anti-Christ" "Communist" and a "baby-killer." That's bad, but not like the other stuff I've heard from strangers who don't care about my feelings.

Like the white guys at the gas station who were raving about how the country's going to the dog's because "that stupid n******'s coming into office." Or the nurse at my job who said "the two names together sound like 'osama bin laden' why on earth would I vote for that?" Mostly, it's the comments on Youtube under Obama videos, such as (edited for content):

"THIS DUMB N****R!"

"F*** OBAMA BITCHEz STUPID N****R SHOULD GO BACK TO DA COTTON FIELDz"

"f888 n*****s. i can't wait to see this f******g country burn to the ground with this dumba** coon as president."

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

"remember obama becareful with having dreams cause remember the last black guy who had a dream.. he got shot lol "

"F*** obama, a N***** AS PRESIDENT? Watch that b***h is getting assassinated "


AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

Nevertheless, if MLK fought and died for anything, he taught us once you remove the reading of words from your active psyche, and respond from a place of serenity and peace... Then the reading of ugliness means nothing.

It takes a high mind and a high place to keep your cool... That is what President Obama is asking people like us to do. We have to love one another--even if they hate us and say they are a Christian.

To add: BTW, I KNOW this actions to take, but I have to work on this kind of stuff too... It has taken me 40 years to get to acknowledge that point...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

That is what President Obama is asking people like us to do.

OBAMA is asking that of us or he's just building off of what many of us have been taught all of our lives regarding ignorance?

The latter.

The same goes for MLK's "teachings." Black folks had been turning the other cheek and silently protesting decades before MLK was relevant. He was simply able to mobilize blacks and the rest of the nation toward peaceful change, which is different from believing he actually taught us about the power and meaning of words.

And this isn't about being a Christian or even about hate or hateful people. It's simply about what humans do when they feel threatened for whatever reasons. That's what the racist structure is about.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

OBAMA is asking that of us or he's just building off of what many of us have been taught all of our lives regarding ignorance?

The latter.

The same goes for MLK's "teachings." Black folks had been turning the other cheek and silently protesting decades before MLK was relevant. He was simply able to mobilize blacks and the rest of the nation toward peaceful change, which is different from believing he actually taught us about the power and meaning of words.

And this isn't about being a Christian or even about hate or hateful people. It's simply about what humans do when they feel threatened for whatever reasons. That's what the racist structure is about.

Well, what do you think President Obama asked us to do based on his acceptance speech? We all have different perspectives of how President Obama's words resonated with us. We can get caught in the semantics or we can take effective and meaningful actions.

President Obama also said that it is going to take awhile to do what we have to do on the same page, in one accord.

I beg to differ about the Christian behavior displayed by those who posted "F*** the N******" Why would an Chinese national want to use those words when it is inherent in their culture not to manifest personal hatreds and anger? No, if anything, these comments were made by a person of African descent living in American whose ancestors were slaves... They were just a extreme McCain/Palin supporters.

And what is racist structure? I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Are you saying a racist structure is a fabrication in their mind?

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Could you please explain that one a little further?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Well, what do you think President Obama asked us to do based on his acceptance speech?

He asked us to do what many of us would've done had he not said it.

Don't give this man credit for stuff he doesn't deserve credit for. He's a great orator but I really hope there aren't people who were going to act a fool and decide not to because "Obama asked us...."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

And what is racist structure? I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Are you saying a racist structure is a fabrication in their mind?

I'm just noticing this. I come from the racism-as-structure school of thought. The notion of racism as structure contradicts this psychoanalytical stuff because the latter is curable through therapy and is about individual behavior.

...unless you're arguing that there is a potential interaction between addictions and behavior disorders and the racist structure. That has been found in the literature regarding individual-level behaviors. But we're talking about the racist structure which doesn't require an individual-level pathology for it to operate and for ALL of us to reinforce it. However, "pathological society" has been used in the literature to characterize a society with structural inequalities.

[OhSoVeryLadylike]

Lindsey Boggs...enough said.

[AGDee]

I think we all need to keep in mind that yes, this historic election is going to make the worst of the racists show their true colors, but that there were still enough people to vote for Obama to show that it was not the majority of the people in the United States.

As for the socialist type comments, I think those feelings are pretty equivalent to how some of us felt when Bush was elected. Being afraid that the candidate you didn't support will really screw things up is not an uncommon feeling.

I am not of the mind that we have to support the President just because he is the President. We do not have a KGB seeking out people who disagree with the government. We have freedom of speech. The people who are crying "Socialist" will be proven wrong in 4 years when we still have a capitalist society.

[Scandia]

May I be proven wrong about my concerns and skepticism about Obama.

But "spreading the wealth" does bother me quite a bit.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Bad logic based on a faulty assumption. . . .

Yeah, I pretty much agree with what you said about this.

Originally Posted by ZTAMich

One of the 4th graders I tutor said to me on Wednesday "My mommy says only people with your kind of skin voted for McCain and none of you voted for Obama."

I told her we shouldn't vote for people because of what they look like or if they are a man or a woman. We vote for the candidate whose ideas we agree with.

If it makes you feel any better, what you told your 4th grader is what my son (who was a 4th grader at the time) told his 1st grade sister. He wanted us to vote for Obama in the primary, she wanted us to vote for Clinton. I asked them each to tell me why, to try and convince me. My daughter said she wanted Hillary Clinton to win the primary because she was a woman. My son told her you don't vote for someone because they are a man or woman, or white or black, but for the one you think will do the best job.

I hope he'll never lose that ideal.

Originally Posted by Scandia

May I be proven wrong about my concerns and skepticism about Obama.

But "spreading the wealth" does bother me quite a bit.

If Warren Buffet, one of Obama's chief economic advisorss, isn't worried, I don't think anyone else needs to be either.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

My son told her you don't vote for someone because they are a man or woman, or white or black, but for the one you think will do the best job.

I hope he'll never lose that ideal.

He probably will. It's easy to say such things when you're a child whose social world is simple and innocent but even children learn differences early and operate based on them. As his parent, you'll know how to be realistic in your expectations of him while teaching him to do his best to hold true to that ideal.