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11-04-2008, 10:53 PM
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This blast from the past was just posted on fivethirtyeight.com
It is from Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 05:11:01 PM PST and it is about Sen. Obama winning his Senate seat. Check out the comments:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/1.../6703?detail=f
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11-04-2008, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AGDee
Because the electoral votes are supposed to reflect how the people in that state voted.
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48 states have adopted winner-take-all system. Maine and Nebraska use a tiered system where a single elector is chosen within each Congressional district.
Candidates can fail to get the most votes in the nationwide popular vote in a presidential election and still win that election.
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11-04-2008, 10:25 PM
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Looks like we're getting medical marijuana. Two of my co-workers' husbands are unemployed (Chrysler and Pfizer) and a couple of us are single moms so we all decided we'd become licensed growers if it passes  What a great second job, eh? LOL
Our other big controversial one, embryonic stem cell research with invitro embryos that are going to be thrown away, which I thought would fail big, is very close.
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11-04-2008, 10:30 PM
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I'm antsy about this whole thing but one that really hits is California's Prop 8. I'm watching Presidential coverage and also my local news regarding the same-sex marriage act. NO on prop 8! 
/end rant of a "socialist baby killer" 
No joke. Someone called me that when they found out I was voting Obama.
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11-04-2008, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AGDee
Looks like we're getting medical marijuana. Two of my co-workers' husbands are unemployed (Chrysler and Pfizer) and a couple of us are single moms so we all decided we'd become licensed growers if it passes What a great second job, eh? LOL
Our other big controversial one, embryonic stem cell research with invitro embryos that are going to be thrown away, which I thought would fail big, is very close. |
Do you mind me asking how you voted on Prop2? I'm surprised it's so close...I hope it passes, but I also thought it would be a huge "no."
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11-05-2008, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by christiangirl
Okay, someone help me with this: If the win is determined by electoral votes, why is it so important that the people vote? I used to know this one, but I'm drawing a blank.
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The people vote aka the popular vote, determines which candidate gets the electoral votes.
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11-05-2008, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sthrnsweetie007
The people vote aka the popular vote, determines which candidate gets the electoral votes. |
Just an FYI...but this doesn't always happen. The electors of each state can decide to ignore the popular vote (of their state) and vote for whoever they want.
It happened in the 2000 presidential election. Al Gore won the popular vote, Bush won the electoral vote.
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11-05-2008, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by epchick
Just an FYI...but this doesn't always happen. The electors of each state can decide to ignore the popular vote (of their state) and vote for whoever they want.
It happened in the 2000 presidential election. Al Gore won the popular vote, Bush won the electoral vote.
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Uh.... I have to correct you here. In 2000, Al Gore did indeed win the overall popular vote. But he just didn't win the right combination of states to capture the electoral vote. None of the electors changed their vote or voted for someone other than the person they were obligated to. You might argue that Florida SHOULD have sent Democrat electors to the electoral college, but they sent Republican ones for better or worse.
Bear in mind that technically we're not even voting for president but for electors who have pledged to vote for a specific person for president.
Every state has a winner-take-all system when it comes to electors, except for Maine and Alaska.
Electors are obligated to vote for the candidate that wins the majority in their state. An elector who does not vote for the candidate they are pledged to vote is termed a "faithless elector" and is relatively rare. We're talking maybe 1 elector per election and often none. Not anything that's thrown an election to a different candidate. Ever. In the entire history of the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
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11-05-2008, 06:23 AM
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Wow. The was a pretty sweet win. Now let's get to the good stuff and see what this man can really do!
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11-05-2008, 08:07 AM
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11-05-2008, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by breathesgelatin
Every state has a winner-take-all system when it comes to electors, except for Maine and Alaska.
Electors are obligated to vote for the candidate that wins the majority in their state. An elector who does not vote for the candidate they are pledged to vote is termed a "faithless elector" and is relatively rare. We're talking maybe 1 elector per election and often none. Not anything that's thrown an election to a different candidate. Ever. In the entire history of the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector |
I'm not saying that an elector changed their vote in the 2000 election, I was just refering to the girls' assertation. Soemthing about the popular vote decides the electoral votes. I was just pointing out an example where the popular vote doesn't mean that the candidate will get the electoral votes. I guess I should have put that all there, but I thought by just mentioning it, that it was understood.
Although it happens "very rarely," electors are not obligated to vote for the candidate that wins the majority. According to the NARA:
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It is possible that an elector could ignore the results of the popular vote, but that occurs very rarely.
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In the 2000 election, Cheney had to change his "home state" from Texas to Wyoming because of the electoral college. Something about electors can't vote for two people from the same state, so either Bush wouldn't have gotten Texas' electoral votes or Cheney wouldn't have gotten the votes.
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11-05-2008, 10:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by epchick
Just an FYI...but this doesn't always happen. The electors of each state can decide to ignore the popular vote (of their state) and vote for whoever they want.
It happened in the 2000 presidential election. Al Gore won the popular vote, Bush won the electoral vote.
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11-05-2008, 10:56 AM
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Yeah. See my post at the top of the page.
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11-04-2008, 10:36 PM
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This just in from my sister-in-law (a HARDCORE OBAMA supporter, also an Alpha Gam!) via text message:
"This is such an orgasm of a night for me haha watching the coverage is like porn ha!"
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11-04-2008, 10:57 PM
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fivethirtyeight is getting so much traffic they can't get their posts posted!
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