Feds Disrupt Skinhead Plot to Assassinate Obama

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.

Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.

Violent racism certainly occurs in all parts of the country, but how is it "indicative" of the Northeast?

ETA: This link is about 4 years old, and it deals more generally with "hate crimes," but it seems like the distribution is pretty well spread across the country (if you're looking at reports per agency): http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...ime/index.html

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.

Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.

What is the new South? I've heard this term and was confused. Please explain. /hijack.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.

Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.

wait...there is such a thing as non-violent racism??

and ditto to that question about the 'new' South

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.

Please explain. As someone who grew up in the South, went to college and now lives in the Northeast, and spends a lot of time on the West Coast (and plans to move there soon), I do not agree. There is more racial and economic segregation in the Northeast, but that is de facto segregation and not de jure the way that it was in the South until fairly recently.

No place is perfect, but until black men are dragged by trucks in Connecticut, please spare me on how "violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast."

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Violent racism certainly occurs in all parts of the country, but how is it "indicative" of the Northeast?

ETA: This link is about 4 years old, and it deals more generally with "hate crimes," but it seems like the distribution is pretty well spread across the country (if you're looking at reports per agency): http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...ime/index.html

Of the previous twenty years...

Crown Heights Riot, Hempstead High School Riot, Philadelphia Riots of (2001)?

Other northern (but not necessarily northeastern) race riots include Toledo and Cincinatti and Benton Harbor.

In the previous 20 years, excluding Florida (most of which is not part of the cultural South), there hasn't been a race riot.

Furthermore, out West you have stuff like Southcentral Riots in LA, Inglewood High, Lock High School and so on.

If I have forgotten a race riot in the new South (post-1985), excuse me. But, I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Kevin:
In terms of black on white violence, I mean perhaps but there was no real proven motive on the black side that it was specifically "hating whitey" on the part of the black teen who beat the hell out of the white kid.

KSigKid:
The breakdown table doesn't have it divided up between race. It doesn't really help.

[Kevin]

Would the incident at Jena, LA count?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

What is the new South? I've heard this term and was confused. Please explain. /hijack.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and ditto to that question about the 'new' South

Generally speaking, "New South" refers to the post-segregation, post-Jim Crow, post-Civil Rights Movement, and, perhaps, post-agrarian-based economy South. As opposed to the Old South.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Of the previous twenty years...

Crown Heights Riot, Hempstead High School Riot, Philadelphia Riots of (2001)?

Other northern (but not necessarily northeastern) race riots include Toledo and Cincinatti and Benton Harbor.

In the previous 20 years, excluding Florida (most of which is not part of the cultural South), there hasn't been a race riot.

Furthermore, out West you have stuff like Southcentral Riots in LA, Inglewood High, Lock High School and so on.

If I have forgotten a race riot in the new South (post-1985), excuse me. But, I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Don't you think you're being pretty narrow with your definition of "violent racism?" It wouldn't just encompass race riots, but would encompass any violent crime (murder, assault, etc.) based in any way on the race of the victim.

If you're trying to say that racial violence occurs all areas, I agree with you. But, your examples don't show how "violent racism" is "indicative" of the Northeast or the West.

ETA: Yeah, I realize the breakdown table isn't especially helpful. I'm at work and couldn't find anything quickly that broke down incidents of racial violence in each region.

[Velocity_14]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Why, oh why, do these nuts have to be from Tennessee??!??

That's the same thing I said...


Some people need to kick rocks with some open-toed shoes...

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Of the previous twenty years...

Crown Heights Riot, Hempstead High School Riot, Philadelphia Riots of (2001)?

Other northern (but not necessarily northeastern) race riots include Toledo and Cincinatti and Benton Harbor.

In the previous 20 years, excluding Florida (most of which is not part of the cultural South), there hasn't been a race riot.

Furthermore, out West you have stuff like Southcentral Riots in LA, Inglewood High, Lock High School and so on.

If I have forgotten a race riot in the new South (post-1985), excuse me. But, I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Kevin:
In terms of black on white violence, I mean perhaps but there was no real proven motive on the black side that it was specifically "hating whitey" on the part of the black teen who beat the hell out of the white kid.

KSigKid:
The breakdown table doesn't have it divided up between race. It doesn't really help.

You're defining "violent racism" as "race riots"? Um, I seem to recall hearing a lot of news stories about hate crimes in the south where race is THE factor even if it wasn't a full-out riot. Speaking for the west coast, we're so racially integrated out here that race honestly is not that big of a deal to people here. California is home to the biggest number of minorities from practically all countries outside of their native lands, and up here in Seattle and Portland, many of us grew up going to schools where half the kids are asian. Seattle has no "ghetto," no neighborhood where all the "black folk" live and white people are afraid to drive through at night. For the mostpart our neighborhoods are very integrated and we don't give it a second thought.

The only place I've ever had a brush with the KKK was in the south...it sure as hell wasn't in the west. EW, your post was naive beyond words, to the point where I have to think you've never even stepped foot in the northeast or west.

[ASTalumna06]

^^ Agreed.

I grew up in southern NH/MA, and I now live in PA, and I never came across any of this "violent racism" he speaks of.

There are hate crimes committed every day across the country, some of which probably will never even be identified as such. To say that this type of behavior mainly happens in the West and Northeast, based on the occurrence of a few race riots, is ridiculous.

And even when it comes to non-violent racism, I believe it is much more apparent in the south than it is in the north.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by Velocity_14

Some people need to kick rocks with some open-toed shoes...

LOL.


His name is Alain Locke. I know it's not that big of a deal, but I hate it when people forget the E in Locke or the S in Douglass. This is just an annoyance of mine.

I would also like to know why violent acts of racism only include race riots. Especially since all of these race riots involve people of color as the rioters. What do you call violent acts toward a person solely based on his or her race? There must be a different term used in the new south.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

wait...there is such a thing as non-violent racism??

Yes, otherwise there would be a lot more violent crimes.

[LightBulb]

Originally Posted by Velocity_14

That's the same thing I said...

Ditto...

Originally Posted by Velocity_14

Some people need to kick rocks with some open-toed shoes...

Haha, that's such a GC insult.

[DaemonSeid]

Gun sales are up.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4547564.shtml

http://www.khou.com/news/state/stori...1587b0297.html