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pinksirfidel 10-27-2008 10:25 PM

Feds Disrupt Skinhead Plot to Assassinate Obama
 
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Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama

By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON — Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday.
In all, the two men whom officials described as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people — 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.
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This Oct. 2008 image provided by the Crockett County Sheriff Office shows Paul Michael Schlesselman. White supremacists Daniel Cowart, 20, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday, Oct. 27, 2008. (AP Photo/Crockett County Sheriff Office)

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the court documents show.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all-white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."
An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

Sheriffs' deputies in Crockett County, Tenn., arrested the two suspects — Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark. — Oct. 22 on unspecified charges. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

The two were charged by federal authorities Monday with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

Cowart and Schlesselman are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.
Jasper Taylor, city attorney in Bells, said Cowart was arrested on Wednesday. He was held for a few days in Bells, then moved over the weekend to another facility.

"It was kept under lid until today," Taylor said.

Until his arrest, Cowart lived with his grandparents in a southern, rural part of the county, Taylor said, adding that Cowart apparently never graduated from high school. He moved away, possibly to Arkansas or Texas, then returned over the summer, Taylor said.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.

No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.

The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.

The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."

Court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the African-American school they were targeting by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville, Tenn., field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

He added: "They seemed determined to do it. Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."

An ATF affidavit filed in the case says Cowart and Schlesselman told investigators the day they were arrested they had shot at a glass window at Beech Grove Church of Christ, a congregation of about 60 black members in Brownsville, Tenn.
Nelson Bond, the church secretary and treasurer, said no one was at the church when the shot was fired. Members found the bullet had shattered the glass in the church's front door when they arrived for evening Bible study.

"We have been on this site for about 120 years, and we have never had a problem like this before," said Bond, 53 and a church member for 45 years.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. He said there's no evidence — so far — that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

At this point, there does not appear to be any formal assassination plan, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said.
"Whether or not they had the capability or the wherewithal to carry out an attack remains to be seen," he said.

Zahren said the statements about the assassination came out in interviews after the men were arrested last week.
The Secret Service became involved in the investigation once it was clear that an Obama assassination attempt was part of this violent, far-reaching plot.

"We don't discount anything," Zahren said, adding that it's one thing for the defendants to make statements, but it's not the same as having an organized assassination plan.

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.

However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

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Associated Press writers Erik Schelzig in Nashville, Tenn., Jon Gambrell in Little Rock, Ark., and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.
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KSUViolet06 10-27-2008 10:55 PM

You know, assassination attempts take brains, and I don't think these guys have it. Any person that has been arrested in connection with an Obama assassination doesn't seem to be um, bright enough. I wouldn't be worried.


preciousjeni 10-27-2008 11:28 PM

Perhaps Obama is well-guarded, but what about the dozens of other people they intended to kill? And they aren't the only ones with such a plan, I'm sure. These folks need Jesus.

DaemonSeid 10-28-2008 08:01 AM

and yet, you have some cities mobilizing police and military forces for fear of riots..........

preciousjeni 10-28-2008 08:32 AM

My father told me yesterday that gun sales are up because people are afraid of what will happen if Obama is elected. I find that hard-to-believe right wing propaganda (based on the source).

DaemonSeid 10-28-2008 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1736568)
My father told me yesterday that gun sales are up because people are afraid of what will happen if Obama is elected. I find that hard-to-believe right wing propaganda (based on the source).

It's either that or people are talking serious hooey.

I have seen some right wing sites where people are actually discussing 'stocking up' in case the 'criminal hoodlum element' should decide to do 'harm' in their areas.

But I have to ask tho.....which will incite a riot more?

Obama winning or McCain winning **think about that**

KSigkid 10-28-2008 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1736572)
But I have to ask tho.....which will incite a riot more?

Obama winning or McCain winning **think about that**

Seriously? Did you really have to go that route?

I have no doubt that there are sickos out there, and it's good that they were able to stop this group of idiots before they hurt someone. But these rumors of right-wingers stocking up is just as ridiculous as the rumors of people leaving the country after Bush was elected the second time (the "I'll leave the country if Bush is elected" people).

preciousjeni 10-28-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1736577)
But these rumors of right-wingers stocking up is just as ridiculous as the rumors of people leaving the country after Bush was elected the second time (the "I'll leave the country if Bush is elected" people).

My father *suggested* that Obama is going to declare martial law from day one so he can use the police against citizens. :rolleyes: Someone told him (or he heard) that gun sales were up because people were going to have to shoot police officers to protect their property. These crazy rumors are getting out of hand. I can't believe my father would even repeat something so ridiculous.

ETA: My father is a staunch McCain supporter.

KSigkid 10-28-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1736586)
My father *suggested* that Obama is going to declare martial law from day one so he can use the police against citizens. :rolleyes: Someone told him (or he heard) that gun sales were up because people were going to have to shoot police officers to protect their property. These crazy rumors are getting out of hand. I can't believe my father would even repeat something so ridiculous.

ETA: My father is a staunch McCain supporter.

Your father's comments don't represent the majority of Republicans. The vocal minority is just that, a minority, and doesn't (and shouldn't) speak for the party.

DaemonSeid 10-28-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1736577)
Seriously? Did you really have to go that route?

I have no doubt that there are sickos out there, and it's good that they were able to stop this group of idiots before they hurt someone. But these rumors of right-wingers stocking up is just as ridiculous as the rumors of people leaving the country after Bush was elected the second time (the "I'll leave the country if Bush is elected" people).

Seriously....and I asked them that same question....realize...that it's all just talk but if you take 10 that are even 'jokingly' talking about this....there are at least 2 that may really follow thru no matter how you cut it. As a matter of fact, pay attention to my last passage, I did say 'discussing'. Hell you got these nuts right here in this article that plotted to kill Obama and how did they meet? ONLINE. These are the nuts that weren't joking!

then...you have this article: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-10-21.html

and you have: http://www.theroot.com/id/48479

RU OX Alum 10-28-2008 11:53 AM

did anyone else hear the Clash's "White Riot" when they read that article?

preciousjeni 10-28-2008 12:01 PM

I loled at:

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With dreams deferred, can angry whites do what Langston Hughes taught us—to let it fester like a sore, even to let sag like a heavy load? Or will the dream of a perfect streak of white men in the White House, if deferred, cause white people to explode?

NutBrnHair 10-28-2008 12:25 PM

Why, oh why, do these nuts have to be from Tennessee??!??

DaemonSeid 10-28-2008 01:10 PM

...and Arkansas

Elephant Walk 10-28-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1736656)
...and Arkansas

I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.

Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.


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