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10-23-2008, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
I don't care what the percentage is...I am still stuck on the fact that millions were hauled here in the first place and God only knows how many died from those shores to these shores...this is why I even hate discussing this type of stuff because it's always someone trying to minimalize the impact that the Slave trade had...I don't care if it was 1% ...there are still issues that have gone on for 400+ years we still haven't resolved yet.
For instance....James Byrd wasn't that long ago and THIS just happened again in TEXAS
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Exactly my point DS. People.....f#$k the stats, I never stated that all whites owned slaves. To say a small percentage did is bull too. I am just not shocked if I ran into someone whose ancestors did have slaves, whether they be Black, White, American Indian, etc. I never said that made McCain or Obama a bad person. If Nat Turner was related to me, does that mean I am a bad person, no.
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10-24-2008, 01:19 AM
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Exactly my point DS. People.....f#$k the stats, I never stated that all whites owned slaves. To say a small percentage did is bull too. I am just not shocked if I ran into someone whose ancestors did have slaves, whether they be Black, White, American Indian, etc. I never said that made McCain or Obama a bad person. If Nat Turner was related to me, does that mean I am a bad person, no.
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You do realize that your very own ancestors owned slaves, correct?
Very few of the slaves were simply caught by white folks with net or something, most were enslaved by rival tribes and then sold to the white folks.
It may be your own family.
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10-24-2008, 04:17 AM
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Slavery has almost always existed. That cannot be disputed. But, to toss out that Africans owned slaves in an attempt to diminish the impact of American slavery is fallacious. West African slavery was not anything like American slavery. America took slavery, and the slave trade, to a level of barbarity that was unprecedented. You should do some research, because you're way off the mark on this.
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You do realize that your very own ancestors owned slaves, correct?
Very few of the slaves were simply caught by white folks with net or something, most were enslaved by rival tribes and then sold to the white folks.
It may be your own family.
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10-24-2008, 03:44 PM
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Slavery has almost always existed. That cannot be disputed. But, to toss out that Africans owned slaves in an attempt to diminish the impact of American slavery is fallacious. West African slavery was not anything like American slavery. America took slavery, and the slave trade, to a level of barbarity that was unprecedented. You should do some research, because you're way off the mark on this.
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You're arguing with him about a point he isn't making. He isn't talking about African tribes owning slaves, he is saying that's how the American slaves got here. There wasn't much in the way of white slave catchers in Africa. African tribes would go to war with a neighboring tribe, and then the winner would trade the other tribe to slave-ship owners for goods.
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10-24-2008, 05:57 PM
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You're arguing with him about a point he isn't making. He isn't talking about African tribes owning slaves, he is saying that's how the American slaves got here. There wasn't much in the way of white slave catchers in Africa. African tribes would go to war with a neighboring tribe, and then the winner would trade the other tribe to slave-ship owners for goods.
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thus that is why you need to do your homework...slavery as it was known in Africa back in the olden days was nowhere near as brutal and dehumanizing as chattel slavery was in US.
In some cases, being a slave among some African tribes gave you a better lot in life than if you stayed free amongst your kinsmen.
And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.
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10-24-2008, 06:09 PM
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Right on! 
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
thus that is why you need to do your homework...slavery as it was known in Africa back in the olden days was nowhere near as brutal and dehumanizing as chattel slavery was in US.
In some cases, being a slave among some African tribes gave you a better lot in life than if you stayed free amongst your kinsmen.
And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.
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10-24-2008, 06:22 PM
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10-24-2008, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
thus that is why you need to do your homework...slavery as it was known in Africa back in the olden days was nowhere near as brutal and dehumanizing as chattel slavery was in US.
In some cases, being a slave among some African tribes gave you a better lot in life than if you stayed free amongst your kinsmen.
And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.
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And now you're arguing with me about a point I wasn't making either. I don't give a rats ass what slavery in Africa was like, it doesn't change the fact that it was other Africans who sold them onto the damn boats.
Some people just don't get it. And it makes you want to holler sometimes, doesn't it.
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10-24-2008, 08:12 PM
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And I state again, altho that period is over with, there is still the issue of some of the deeply seeded behavior that still exists among blacks and whites in our country.
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Which is apparent in this thread.
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10-24-2008, 06:06 PM
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What DaemonSeed said. 
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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel
You're arguing with him about a point he isn't making. He isn't talking about African tribes owning slaves, he is saying that's how the American slaves got here. There wasn't much in the way of white slave catchers in Africa. African tribes would go to war with a neighboring tribe, and then the winner would trade the other tribe to slave-ship owners for goods.
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10-24-2008, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond
Slavery has almost always existed. That cannot be disputed. But, to toss out that Africans owned slaves in an attempt to diminish the impact of American slavery is fallacious. West African slavery was not anything like American slavery. America took slavery, and the slave trade, to a level of barbarity that was unprecedented. You should do some research, because you're way off the mark on this.
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African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.
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10-24-2008, 08:31 PM
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African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.
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Again,.... we know.
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10-24-2008, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PhiGam
African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.
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I really wish some of you could understand how silly and simple some of you sound trying to debate this point...
"Well some black people owned slaves too..."
"But a small percent of white people owned slaves"
"We are sorry about making you all slaves...but dont sue us."
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10-24-2008, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
I really wish some of you could understand how silly and simple some of you sound trying to debate this point...
"Well some black people owned slaves too..."
"But a small percent of white people owned slaves"
"We are sorry about making you all slaves...but dont sue us."
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Apparently we all want a big fat reparation check too! Ignorance is catching.
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10-24-2008, 08:43 PM
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