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10-22-2008, 09:18 AM
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Better question: Does anyone care?
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Good question.
Why does anyone care whether McCain's family had slaves prior to December 6th, 1865? The answer as to him should be the same as it is for Obama.
A more interesting question, I think, and one which might be whether Obama's Kenyan ancestors were active in the slave trade. Kenya was once a big slave exporting country.
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10-22-2008, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Good question.
Why does anyone care whether McCain's family had slaves prior to December 6th, 1865? The answer as to him should be the same as it is for Obama.
A more interesting question, I think, and one which might be whether Obama's Kenyan ancestors were active in the slave trade. Kenya was once a big slave exporting country.
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actually right about now...this whole thread is pointless.
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Or why DID Obama change his name from Barry to Barack if he is not Muslim or ever was....
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Same reason why James Earl Carter is Jimmy and Richard Cheyney is a Dick.
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10-22-2008, 09:39 AM
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Thanks for the links the articles are pretty interesting.
As a general matter, does it matter if a candidate's ancestors owned slaves? I mean, for me, as a white male living in New England, it doesn't really matter much, but I'm not exactly qualified to speak for others.
ETA: Never mind - question withdrawn.
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10-22-2008, 09:48 AM
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Thanks for the links the articles are pretty interesting.
As a general matter, does it matter if a candidate's ancestors owned slaves? I mean, for me, as a white male living in New England, it doesn't really matter much, but I'm not exactly qualified to speak for others.
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Most whites don't like talking about slavery...because why should they be held accountable for what their ancestors did?
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10-22-2008, 11:47 AM
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Most whites don't like talking about slavery...because why should they be held accountable for what their ancestors did?
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Well, this is actually an entirely different thread, and doesn't really address ksig's point at all (should we care of McCain's distant family owned slaves? Why or why not?) . . . Although you might have been joking, in which case, as always, I'm an idiot.
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10-22-2008, 12:21 PM
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Well, this is actually an entirely different thread, and doesn't really address ksig's point at all (should we care of McCain's distant family owned slaves? Why or why not?) . . . Although you might have been joking, in which case, as always, I'm an idiot.
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actually, I was being sarcastic...and this thread is actually a Thread to Nowhere
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10-22-2008, 01:28 PM
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actually, I was being sarcastic...and this thread is actually a Thread to Nowhere
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Then I'm completely on your side here, DS
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10-22-2008, 09:30 PM
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actually right about now...this whole thread is pointless.
Same reason why James Earl Carter is Jimmy and Richard Cheyney is a Dick.
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LOL
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10-22-2008, 10:07 PM
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No. While it might be true that most white Americans today whose ancestors came here long enough ago could find at least one slave-owning ancestor in his or her family tree, most white families did not own slaves.
To give one snapshot: According to the 1860 Census, about 25% percent of families in the 15 states where slavery was legal owned slaves. (Meaning about 75% of families in those states did not own slaves.) Per that same census, this translated into about 8% of all white American families owning slaves.
He didn't change his name; his name has always been Barack, just like his father for whom he is named. Barry was a nickname -- it's no different from the kid Tommy deciding to be the adult Thomas (or Tomás).
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Thank you. I did not know that.
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Most whites don't like talking about slavery...because why should they be held accountable for what their ancestors did?
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Because my ancestors were poor and lived in Sicily, therefore more than likely did not own slaves. They did their own dirty work. So no, most whites shouldn't have to be held accountable for what their ancestors did, because alot of them didn't own slaves!
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