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10-22-2008, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
Better question: Does anyone care?
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Good question.
Why does anyone care whether McCain's family had slaves prior to December 6th, 1865? The answer as to him should be the same as it is for Obama.
A more interesting question, I think, and one which might be whether Obama's Kenyan ancestors were active in the slave trade. Kenya was once a big slave exporting country.
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10-22-2008, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Good question.
Why does anyone care whether McCain's family had slaves prior to December 6th, 1865? The answer as to him should be the same as it is for Obama.
A more interesting question, I think, and one which might be whether Obama's Kenyan ancestors were active in the slave trade. Kenya was once a big slave exporting country.
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actually right about now...this whole thread is pointless.
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Or why DID Obama change his name from Barry to Barack if he is not Muslim or ever was....
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Same reason why James Earl Carter is Jimmy and Richard Cheyney is a Dick.
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10-22-2008, 09:39 AM
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Thanks for the links the articles are pretty interesting.
As a general matter, does it matter if a candidate's ancestors owned slaves? I mean, for me, as a white male living in New England, it doesn't really matter much, but I'm not exactly qualified to speak for others.
ETA: Never mind - question withdrawn.
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10-22-2008, 09:30 PM
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actually right about now...this whole thread is pointless.
Same reason why James Earl Carter is Jimmy and Richard Cheyney is a Dick.
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LOL
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10-22-2008, 09:29 PM
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Has anyone checked whether or not Obama's family owned slaves?
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They probably did. Sooooooooo what's your point?
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10-22-2008, 10:52 PM
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They probably did. Sooooooooo what's your point?
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That this whole line of questioning/thinking is beyond pointless.
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10-23-2008, 12:08 AM
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That this whole line of questioning/thinking is beyond pointless.
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Then, why comment? That seems pointless too. 
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10-23-2008, 01:18 AM
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Then, why comment? That seems pointless too. |
I can't comment because I find the entire concept of the thread to be ridiculous?
It is just as relevant as to whether McCain's family owned slaves 150 years ago as it is whether Obama's ancestors owned slaves or participated in the slave trade.
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10-23-2008, 12:17 AM
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Forget a census, that fact that any person owned slaves ,whether the owners were black or white is disgusting.
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10-23-2008, 02:37 AM
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Forget a census, that fact that any person owned slaves ,whether the owners were black or white is disgusting.
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You're right.
This is still a false dilemma (in reference to this thread).
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10-23-2008, 11:24 PM
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I thought this thread was supposed to be over on post 14 or 26?
PM_Mama, I don't think "they" (my, that is a loaded word) said anything about being owed anything. There might be a few fringe wackos who get publicity every now and then carrying on about 'reparations,' but to say that all blacks are in favor of that, I think would be overstating things. (but who is ever opposed to free money so long as they don't have to pay?)
No, slavery wasn't really over 150 years ago... heck... my father's stepfather's uncle still had what were essentially slaves well into the 1960's, still living on the plantation, still living in the same housing their forefathers occupied prior to the Civil War, working on the farm in exchange for company script only redeemable at the company store -- only a small violation of the FLSA there. The legacy of slavery is still well alive today. I really don't think that's disputable.
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10-24-2008, 06:24 PM
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I thought this thread was supposed to be over on post 14 or 26?
PM_Mama, I don't think "they" (my, that is a loaded word) said anything about being owed anything. There might be a few fringe wackos who get publicity every now and then carrying on about 'reparations,' but to say that all blacks are in favor of that, I think would be overstating things. (but who is ever opposed to free money so long as they don't have to pay?)
No, slavery wasn't really over 150 years ago... heck... my father's stepfather's uncle still had what were essentially slaves well into the 1960's, still living on the plantation, still living in the same housing their forefathers occupied prior to the Civil War, working on the farm in exchange for company script only redeemable at the company store -- only a small violation of the FLSA there. The legacy of slavery is still well alive today. I really don't think that's disputable.
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I read a story over the summer about that....how some people living in some sections of South and Mid West still had Black families working for them and in one case I read, had them inbreeding....disgusting.
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10-24-2008, 10:54 PM
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No one is trying to tell you a goddamn thing about your history. No one was arguing anything even remotely related to you two moron's point until you decided to "rebut" every argument with it.
Talking about black africans selling to slave ships =/= saying slavery was ok because africans had slaves too. But it is a wonderful strawman argument if you can't win on a topical point. That being said, at least in my understanding of it, that isn't where this argument came from either.
I think when people in this thread said that Obama's ancestors probably owned slaves too, they were referring to the fact that ALL OF HIS FAMILY IN AMERICA IS/WAS WHITE. But of course that isn't as easy to argue against, so proceed with your foolish misplaced outrage.
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10-24-2008, 10:58 PM
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I think when people in this thread said that Obama's ancestors probably owned slaves too, they were referring to the fact that ALL OF HIS FAMILY IN AMERICA IS/WAS WHITE.
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Was it just a rumor or was it ever confirmed that Obama's mother's family in fact owned slaves?
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10-25-2008, 12:43 AM
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No one is trying to tell you a goddamn thing about your history. No one was arguing anything even remotely related to you two moron's point until you decided to "rebut" every argument with it.
Talking about black africans selling to slave ships =/= saying slavery was ok because africans had slaves too. But it is a wonderful strawman argument if you can't win on a topical point. That being said, at least in my understanding of it, that isn't where this argument came from either.
I think when people in this thread said that Obama's ancestors probably owned slaves too, they were referring to the fact that ALL OF HIS FAMILY IN AMERICA IS/WAS WHITE. But of course that isn't as easy to argue against, so proceed with your foolish misplaced outrage.
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guys...we are 'foolish' and 'morons'...we are so done here....heh
Gee...thank you for setting us straight Mistah Cracker.
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