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Old 10-08-2008, 12:35 AM
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The black kid and his name: Who cares?

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: He actually said that some of you may not have even heard of them BEFORE THIS CRISIS. See the difference?

Bailout: No, read about the bailout bill if you want an in depth explanation, but the bailout authorized the secretary to buy mortgage backed tradable securities (pseudo-bonds essentially) from banks, not to buy and renegotiate mortgage portfolios.

Ayers: He didn't bring it up because he was never planning to. He's upset that they're having to use negative campaigning and that's why he's having the ads and Palin do it rather than going after those points himself.

"That one": It didn't bother me at all, but I'm sure Obama's campaign will manage to stir plenty of fury about it up from the Obamaniacs. Obama could say the same thing and I wouldn't be bothered then either. "You know which of us voted for that? It wasn't me, it was that one." I don't see the cause for the outrage, who cares? "Which one?" "That one." Seems like a pretty reasonable flow for the comment to me, but I'm not hyper sensitive and whining about "Mean ol' John" like the Obama campaign has made one of their goals of the debate, so maybe I'm missing something.
here is the quote:

"But you know, one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire was Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I'll bet you, you may never even have heard of them before this crisis."

and from the way it appeared...he was addressing HIM when he said it....


again...it looked all kinds of wrong and condescending.


and can someone explain to me McCain wanting to plan another buy out?

'I would order the secretary of the treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes -- at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes.'


uhhh then what just happened last week?
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:39 AM
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McCain reminds me so much of my late grandfather. I kinda want him to tuck me in and read me a bedtime story. I really like him as a person and I have been disgusted by jokes about his arms (among other things) that were the result of the sacrifice he made in Vietnam.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:56 AM
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here is the quote:

"But you know, one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire was Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I'll bet you, you may never even have heard of them before this crisis."

and from the way it appeared...he was addressing HIM when he said it....


again...it looked all kinds of wrong and condescending.


and can someone explain to me McCain wanting to plan another buy out?

'I would order the secretary of the treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes -- at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those -- be able to make those payments and stay in their homes.'


uhhh then what just happened last week?
Maybe it's just that I'm not looking to get offended, but I took it to mean that most people (particularly younger people who may not be home-owners yet, that looked like a college kid to me) didn't have a clue what the mortgage situation was or how the mortgage market was structured until it boiled over. That's how I interpreted it and I would guess what McCain meant, but if you want to be upset about it, be my guest.

And on the mortgage bailout, you're not catching the difference between mortgage-backed securities (what the government is about to start buying) and mortgages (what McCain proposed they buy).
A mortgage-backed security is essentially an investment device that pays dividends to holders (investors) using the interest income that the mortgages which back it bring in. It's a way for a mortgage holder to lower their risk in issuing or holding a mortgage because he can sell the right to some of the interest to a third-party. Because of that it was a popular way for issuers of sub-prime ARMs (which are at a high risk of default because of who they are being made to) to pass along some of their risk and make it relatively safer to issue sub-prime mortgages. Now that people aren't paying their mortgages and going into default, the security isn't receiving an interest payment, so they are losing money. Further, no one else wants to buy a junk security that isn't paying, so they can't sell them to anyone and have lost their entire investment. The government is buying these securities up to give money back to the investment houses which held them and take the "toxic debt" out of the market to let it die (or hopefully make some of the money back when the housing market turns around).
McCain's plan on the other hand is to buy the mortgages themself and let the government take the loss of converting the ARM's to fixed rate mortgages which should hopefully allow people to have lower payments which they could then afford to make. I assume the government would then sell the revised mortgages back onto the market. People paying their mortgage gives banks cash to lend out, so then banks can start making loans again and the credit market unfreezes.

I'm not an expert on hybrid-securities, but that's the way I understand it and hopefully it should help clear some things up.
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