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Old 09-15-2008, 11:40 AM
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The reality is that conservative leaders, including the Religious Right (which I know Graham was not allied with) are the ones discounting reality. They think that the world can abide by some ancient moral code that has absolutely no basis on the current reality. I'm pretty well versed in reality, are you?
I'm quite well versed enough to tell that you aren't nearly as well-versed as you would like to believe, thanks.

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As I said, Billy Graham never outright endorsed a candidate or party, however, his actions and the devotion of his TV audience (and he did still have an audience, even without a current show he was still sermonizing) were enough. If you were a loyal Graham fan, which you seem to be, you would be influenced and strongly prefer Nixon over JFK, considering he was counseling the Republican throughout the campaign. You would consider that he spend the night at the White House the night before Desert Storm was launched as an approval of the War and Daddy Bush along with it. His actions spoke to those fans. There are two for you, before you turn blue.
LOL. See, here is the whole problem -- you assume way too much and then assume that your assumptions equal reality.

Yes, I am a Graham fan, for a variety of reasons. But I can be a fan of someone without agreeing with them on all issues, especially those issues I may view him as less qualified to speak about. Just because I happen to think a great deal of him and admire, I am not conservative (at least not across-the-board conservative), either politically or religiously.

So, despite the fact that I admire and appreciate the way he has counseled various presidents (and Lord knows, Nixon needed his counsel), I would not have voted for Nixon. And though I found the fact that he spent the night at the White House the night before Desert Storm to say a great deal about the seriousness with which "Daddy Bush" approached taking that action, I did not take it as an endorsement of the War itself, I did not support the War and I did not vote for Bush either time he ran.

Since you're "well versed" in reality here, perhaps you'll recognize that the things you mentioned were not necessarily as likely to be seen as "endorsements" by Graham's "fans" like me; perhaps they're more like to be denounced as endorsements by his detractors like you. It's clear you don't like him or his "moral code that has absolutely no basis on the current reality." It's also clear that your dislike prevents you from looking at things objectively.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:42 PM
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It's also clear that your dislike prevents you from looking at things objectively.
It seems to be quite the opposite, your love of televangelists seem to override the reality that devoted fans really do look at the actions of a celebrity, especially one of Graham's following, as gospel.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:16 PM
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It seems to be quite the opposite, your love of televangelists seem to override the reality that devoted fans really do look at the actions of a celebrity, especially one of Graham's following, as gospel.
There you go, assuming again. With the one exception of Billy Graham, I despise and am offended by just about every televangelist I can think of.

Unorthodox though it may seem, I try to be aware of and take my own biases into account -- question them, even -- when I think critically about any issue, including religion and/or politics, so I think I've got a pretty handle on what kind of influence (beside the opening-the-wallet influence) these "celebrity televangelists" have.

Meanwhile, I'm done. Sorry, but the entertainment value of arguing with you has jumped the shark. I'll just go back to laughing at you quietly or ignoring you.
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