Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Here we go....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_part_ii.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/

The fact check on McCain's speech is now available....http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ng_mccain.html

[SummerChild]

Ok, I have been reading the transcript of the interview on ABC between Sarah Palin and Charlie Gibson and I am COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED.
Can I say that she OBVIOUSLY is an intellectual midget who does not know the first thing about what has been going on in our WORLD since who knows when. Of course, I'm not surprised now that I've foudn out that she just got a passport 2 weeks ago.

I'm floored. She knows nothing about Bush's policy, world relations. I'm just floored b/c she has the AUDACITY to be the leader of a U.S. STATE. Has she had her head in the sand for the last 8 years. She needs a simple world government class.

This is not about whether she is knowledgeable enough to be president, this is simply about whether she is knowledgeable enough to pass a World Government/Politics course. Probably not. Yet she calls herself a governor.

Take a read for yourself - notice that she never really answers any of the questions with the depth and insight that you would expect if she knew ANYTHING at all about world government. Heck, she didn't even know what Bush's 2002 strategy was. Then, when Charlie explained, she didn't even answer the question - b/c she didn't get it. The nuance was whether *preemption* should be our policy. She started talking about *imminent* threats. Clearly, if the threat is *imminent*, then this is not the case of preemption - which is what Charlie specifically asked about. I don't know. Maybe she doesn't know what preemption means. I'm not sure.

I'm frustrated. I'm an Obama supporter but geesh, McCain couldn't find anyone else? An intellectual midget indeed. Forget whether she is qualified to be VP or President. I'm starting to wonder if she's qualified to be governor. Somebody PLEEEEEEEASE get her a crash course in World Government.

http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/20...erview-on-abc/

Edited to Add: And I just found out that she went to 6 colleges in 6 years to get her Bachelor's. Maybe the World Government class slipped through the cracks with all that. She LOOKS so intelligent...until she opens her mouth. This is starting to feel real familiar.... (Bush 3?) I'm frustrated.

[WenD08]

i think what's really interesting is that her supporters like her b/c she's "just like me". i've heard a number of people say this. plus these are the same folks who call Barack Obama an "elitist" and "uppity" (ie. he forgot his place) due to his education but not sarah palin. she's just a regular person. the same was said about bush (remember he's the one folks would like to drink a beer w/except for the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic).
wwhen it's all said and done, we'll have had 8 years of a "regular guy" (w/Yale and Harvard degrees and from a politically connected family). his C-average has us in terrible shape as a nation.
we just can't afford her 5 schools in 6 years or mccain's 5th from the bottom rank of his graduating class

[SummerChild]

Soror, I agree.

I mean, and I'm still just *completely floored*. I can't believe it. Who would have thought that she would be so ignorant of world issues...or even our own government's policies. What really kills me is that, even sitting all of that aside, she just didn't "get it" when Charlie was asking her about preemption. Even when he spelled it out for her, her answer clearly showed that she was not smart enough to think on her feet. None of her answers showed any thoughtfulness whatsoever.

I'm just completely floored. Does she run Alaska like this? Couldn't McCain have at least found someone who has been governor for 1.5 years AND who knew anything about world government???? She clearly didn't even know what Charlie was asking her about half the time. Anybody who reads the daily or weekly newspaper may have had more of a clue than her. What was that about being able to see Russia from Alaska? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Her ignorance just astounds me.

The entire thing was filled with platitudes. Half the time, she didn't even answer the question. I would feel more at ease if I thought that she was just AVOIDING the question. What worries me is that I *think* that she *thought* that she was actually ANSWERING the questions.

She's too ignorant to recognize her ignorance. Either that, or there's alot of "hubris" in the air. Wouldn't be the first time. I'm waiting for her to start pointing into the camera and threatening other countries next....

SC

Originally Posted by WenD08

i think what's really interesting is that her supporters like her b/c she's "just like me". i've heard a number of people say this. plus these are the same folks who call Barack Obama an "elitist" and "uppity" (ie. he forgot his place) due to his education but not sarah palin. she's just a regular person. the same was said about bush (remember he's the one folks would like to drink a beer w/except for the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic).
wwhen it's all said and done, we'll have had 8 years of a "regular guy" (w/Yale and Harvard degrees and from a politically connected family). his C-average has us in terrible shape as a nation.
we just can't afford her 5 schools in 6 years or mccain's 5th from the bottom rank of his graduating class

[Honeykiss1974]

Has anyone heard about GOP women's group boycotting Oprah because she won't have Palin on until after the election (We all know that Oprah is Obama's #1 supporter)? Interesting...and Oprah BETTER NOT back down!

And seriously.... Palin does not impress me at all! McCain's choice in her pretty much solidified who I will be voting for in November. Whoever advised him to pick her with the hopes of grabbing disgruntled HRC supports needs to be whipped with the long skinny switch from the bush in the backyard.

ETA: Ok for real....this isn't a satire interview blog???
excerpt:

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.

[mccoyred]

I can't find the article but basically, her 'truth' was debunked. EVERY vice presidental candidate in modern times has had at least a modicum of foreign policy experience as congressman/senators, other federal government experience or international business executives. If I can find it, I will post the link. She LIED again!

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974

excerpt:

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

I can't find the article but basically, her 'truth' was debunked. EVERY vice presidental candidate in modern times has had at least a modicum of foreign policy experience as congressman/senators, other federal government experience or international business executives. If I can find it, I will post the link. She LIED again!

Here is a link to one of the stories: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_126062.html

[SummerChild]

Ok, so I just finished watching the other Palin-Gibson interviews. I've figured it out. She just talks around EVERYTHING and does not answer ANYTHING directly. You gotta love it. Sure, she's ignorant of world affairs but she's also just kind of illogical in general and not very swift. If I wasn't actually listening to what she was saying, I'd think she nailed every question. Instead, I was dumb enough to listen and just got all confused.

For example, in one interview, she says that earmarks shouldn't be allowed (an absolute ban such as that supposedly endorsed by McCain). Then after Gibson points out that she took earmarks even in 2008 in Alaska, it was, earmarks should only be allowed if they are done in the public eye. Then, it gets worse. She admits that even though Congress gave her 200M for the bridge to nowhere, which is what one of the earmarks was, she decided not to spend it on that and to spend it instead on other stuff. So first she advocated for the bridge and went through the trouble of asking for earmarks. Then after she successfully got millions, she changed her own sweet mind and decided to do otherwise, thereby not even following through on the whole thing. You gotta love this lady. I wonder if she even knows how crazy she sounds.

Ok, let's do another random example. Um, just picking one out of my head, does she believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned? She says yes, then she says that that is her *personal* opinion but never goes on to say if she has a say, *public official* opinion. So what does your personal opinion have to do with it? And why keep stressing that it's your personal opinion if you haven't bothered to put forth any other types of opinions. The takeaway is that the personal opinion is the same as the public official opinion dumb dumb. Therefore, by logical deduction, there is no need to keep stressing the word "personal." Unless of course, you just want to confuse everyone by seemingly lessening the harshness of your stance by implying that there might be another opinion out there.

Ok, another one (i've just had a cup of coffee). She is pro life, pro life, blah blah blah, no stem cell research b/c it would mean creating a life just to kill it, blah blah blah. Then 2 minutes later Charlie asks her and she proudly states that she is a life member of the NRA and believes that there should be no ban on semi-automatic weapons. The problem here is that semi-automatic weapons are not used for animals, stupid. They are used to kill *people*. Presumably the same species that you are so pro-life for. Ok, the natural logical conclusion is that your stance on semi-automatic weapons would imply that you really don't value human life that much. Yes, dumb dumb, anyone with an ounce of logic would come to that conclusion. But you are slooooooooow so you missed it and put your foot in your mouth. I only wish that Gibson would have nailed your behind to the wall on it.

I think that this conflict between being pro-life but being against a ban on semi-automatic guns is the kind of thing that many Republicans have jumped on board with not realizing how contradictory the whole thing is. This leads me to believe that there must be another basis for the pro-life stance that women, in Palin's "personal" view, shouldn't be allowed to abort even in cases of rape and incest b/c it obviously it not b/c she loves the human species so much. Perhaps she, and many other Republicans, just want to control the lives of others? The same way that they balk when told that they might not be able to have semi-automatic weapons, right? Then, it's well, the states should control it. The idiocracy of that stance is that, isn't the state the *government* too? So wouldn't it still be the government controlling abortion? What does it matter if it's the federal government or the state government? The leave it to the states thing that Palin is touting just doesn't make sense, unless of course, you are the governor of a state and can use your influence to prevent legal abortions in your state. I haven't thought this out. Maybe one of my fellow legal eagles can help me here. If state A allows abortions but state B doesn't does state A have to allow everyone that comes into their state from next door to have the same "rights and privileges" as their state? Does a privileges and immunities issue arise?

I'm sorry, I've gone off into the kind of in-depth analysis that Professor Obama actually taught us to engage in. Silly me.

Re Palin, this is what happens when you're simply repeating what you have been trained to say whether it answers the question or not and whether it conflicts with the previous answer or not. The McCain group needs to get on their game b/c they aren't preparing her to appear ready for the VP position very well.

We need to make sure that we vote b/c many Republicans will vote for ANYONE just so that they will not lose to Democrats. We saw it with the re-election of Bush even though many of them hated him by 2004.

SC

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

Ok, I have been reading the transcript of the interview on ABC between Sarah Palin and Charlie Gibson and I am COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED.


http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/20...erview-on-abc/

Edited to Add: And I just found out that she went to 6 colleges in 6 years to get her Bachelor's. Maybe the World Government class slipped through the cracks with all that. She LOOKS so intelligent...until she opens her mouth. This is starting to feel real familiar.... (Bush 3?) I'm frustrated.

I'm at this interview. Can someone please explain this to me. I feel like I need to re-take a civics/government course after that interview.
I don't even have the words...I don't think there are any words for that. The Russia, The Bush Doctorine, Attacking across borders...I feel so confused and frustrated.

6 colleges in 6 years? Were they all in Alaska? Were they all accredited? What the hell?

I just can't. and I wont!

Im going to watch Obama on Youtube. I need a pick-me-up.


Oprah does not need to have that type of ignorance on her show. GOP women can boycott what they want, but I want to know how much of an impact they think they'll make on a woman who basically Single-handedly took on the Entire Beef Industry and WON. Really though? These ignorant and overly desperate housewives need to get over themselves.

[SummerChild]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I'm at this interview. Can someone please explain this to me. I feel like I need to re-take a civics/government course after that interview.
I don't even have the words...I don't think there are any words for that. The Russia, The Bush Doctorine, Attacking across borders...I feel so confused and frustrated.

6 colleges in 6 years? Were they all in Alaska? Were they all accredited? What the hell?

I just can't. and I wont!

Im going to watch Obama on Youtube. I need a pick-me-up.


Oprah does not need to have that type of ignorance on her show. GOP women can boycott what they want, but I want to know how much of an impact they think they'll make on a woman who basically Single-handedly took on the Entire Beef Industry and WON. Really though? These ignorant and overly desperate housewives need to get over themselves.

You need a pick me up? LOL. That's hilarious.

Yes, it's very confusing to watch. This is the kind of thing that you don't let kids watch b/c they will be so confused about world relations after that mess that it's just detrimental to their own intelligence.

The colleges were in Idaho and Hawaii. My fault, it was 5 in 6 years, not 6 in 6 years. Wouldn't want to discredit her.

Here's the September 2008 article from the Huffington Post. Maybe she was on the run. LOL. Who knows.

I tell you, the more I see this woman, the more I wonder about the reasons that McCain picked her.... I smell dirt. I can't imagine that it's really anything else. We all know he has a thing for young ditties. Guess we'll just have to wait and see why he REALLY picked her. Hope it comes out before the election. Really, there must be more to this story b/c this goes against all reason and logic. Maybe that's it. Is McCain getting senile? No, seriously. Maybe that explains it.

Here's the article.


Palin Attended 5 Colleges In 6 Years
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com AP | Nicholas K. Geranios | September 4, 2008 05:35 PM


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POKANE, Wash. - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attended five colleges in six years before graduating from the University of Idaho in 1987.

Federal privacy laws prohibit the schools from disclosing her grades, and none of the schools contacted by The Associated Press could say why she transferred. There was no indication any of them were contacted as part of the background investigation of Palin by presidential candidate John McCain's campaign.

"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.

Palin, the governor of Alaska, was born in Idaho. Her family moved when she was only a few months old to Alaska, where she was raised.

She began college at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only as a freshman during the fall of 1982, school spokeswoman Crystale Lopez said.

Then known as Sarah Louise Heath, she was in the business administration program as a full-time student, Lopez said.

"We're trying to track down someone who knew her," Lopez added.

From Hawaii Pacific, Palin transferred to North Idaho College, a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring 1983 and fall 1983, spokeswoman Stacy Hudson said.

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"We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything," Hudson said.

The school identified one of her professors but he did not remember her, Hudson said.

Prior to her selection by McCain, the North Idaho College Alumni Association notified Palin in June she would be the recipient of its 2008-2009 Distinguished Alumni of the Year Award.

From North Idaho College, Palin transferred 70 miles south to the University of Idaho, the state's flagship institution. She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast news. She attended Idaho, whose mascot is the Vandals, from fall 1984 to spring 1985.

She then returned to Alaska to attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer in fall 1985.

Then she returned to Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated. Despite her journalism degree, she does not appear to have worked for the college newspaper or campus television station, school officials said. She worked briefly as a sportscaster for KTUU in Anchorage after she graduated college.

The McCain campaign did not have an immediate comment on Palin's higher education record.

In a recent interview with the school's alumni magazine, before her selection to run on the GOP ticket, she explained that her curiosity and love of writing made journalism a natural choice.

"I was always asking everyone the questions, and I still am today," Palin told the magazine.

The University of Idaho is taking advantage of Palin's nomination. A prominent photograph of her is featured on the school's Web site.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

You need a pick me up? LOL. That's hilarious.

Yes, it's very confusing to watch. This is the kind of thing that you don't let kids watch b/c they will be so confused about world relations after that mess that it's just detrimental to their own intelligence.

The colleges were in Idaho and Hawaii. My fault, it was 5 in 6 years, not 6 in 6 years. Wouldn't want to discredit her.

Here's the September 2008 article from the Huffington Post. Maybe she was on the run. LOL. Who knows.

I tell you, the more I see this woman, the more I wonder about the reasons that McCain picked her.... I smell dirt. I can't imagine that it's really anything else. We all know he has a thing for young ditties. Guess we'll just have to wait and see why he REALLY picked her. Hope it comes out before the election. Really, there must be more to this story b/c this goes against all reason and logic. Maybe that's it. Is McCain getting senile? No, seriously. Maybe that explains it.

Here's the article.

I now need a pick me up AND a couple of asprin.

I just read the article (thanks for that) and I'm still confused as to what school she graduated from and what even happened with all of that. 6 years for a 4 year degree? in journalism? How can you get a degree in journalism and not keep up with world affairs? WTF? So many questions and so very few answers are leaving me confused and frustrated. Im glad im voting for Obama. If I were a republican...I'd write in Condi Rice and call it a day. LOL.

I don't know if JMac is that stupid. She isnt that cute either. There is some type of something going on. I don't think Jmac is the one who owes her. I think it might be his SR advisor chick or someone who is advising him who is in deep debt with Palin. It just doesnt add up. She's not well known even inside the party so I find it hard to believe that someone owes her. She also isnt from a family that is a political force (ie:Bush) so that cant be it either. Sex scandal isnt enough because Jmac has had those. I think they wanted the shock factor of picking a woman and they wanted an "outsider" (I think they got Lil Wayne's political equal because she is definitely talking some "Im a Martian" type stuff) and someone who "is all about change" so that they could counter the force that is Obama. They clearly wanted that image and felt that the benefit from it would out weigh the cost of her messy-ness. This kind-of makes sense. I do think they did not do a stringent enough background check. They probably checked for the basics and found the DUI and the investigation and pregnancy and figured they could cover that up and didnt go much deeper. That is probably the reason why they didnt announce her as the running mate until so late in the game. Had they announced it earlier then people would have had more time to dig up info on her. Since they waited til the last minute there is only a short amount of time for people to dig and then spread information. They figured a few months wouldnt be enough time for people to discover who she really is and it definitely wouldnt be enough time for the diggers to get the info out to the regular folks. They also dont mind her problems because after he gets elected she pretty much just disappears. President Truman had to step in after Roosevelts death and he knew nothing about what was going on. Thats how it is with most vice presidents. They dont do much of anything and are not often involved with the running of our nation. JMac is counting on Palin getting him more support and then when he is elected she will basically disappear and crawl back under the rock she came from. I in some ways agree with this thought because there are plenty of people who will not ever find out about her 6 year degree. I do think they made a huge miscalculation in this matter because they failed to address Obama's camp's extensive use of technology to spread info extremely quickly as well as the use of the internet and the media as a 24 hour non stop medium for info for regular peeps. Overall this was a horrible judgment call and I hope those McCain voters figure this out before they ruin their own lives. If they dont we might see a president impeached and removed.

Obama 08.

[Ten/Four]

Can you go to that many schools in still get your degree? I thought they had a cap on the number of credits you can transfer, especially within your major.