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Old 09-05-2008, 07:38 AM
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I'm not sorry to say that to comment on the pregnant unmarried 17 year old is a fair topic. I think it says something about your family when you preach one thing and your children do another.

More importantly, Sex has become a political issue. Whether it takes the form of gay rights, abortion, or sex education.

In Palin's daughter's case we are talking about abortion and sex education. Palin believes you should teach abstinence only before marriage and that even in cases of rape the mother should not be presented with the option of abortion. Well we all see the result. Her teenaged daughter is 5 months pregnant and about to proceed with what is probably a shotgun wedding.

So to some this may be one of the clearest examples of why they wouldn't want her to have any hand in decisions on Sex education, abortion, etc....
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:04 AM
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I want the GOP to finish Palin's crash course to "How to be a Good Vice President" and let the woman speak without prepared statements. She needs to answer some questions.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:33 AM
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I want the GOP to finish Palin's crash course to "How to be a Good Vice President" and let the woman speak without prepared statements. She needs to answer some questions.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:00 AM
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However, the substance of her speech as well as those of Juliani and Romney were weak. They were filled with innuendos, sarcasm, half-truths and outright lies. Wait until Politifact.com (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/) and FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/) get a hold of those speeches! The partisanship was clearly evident.

Here we go....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_part_ii.html

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Old 09-05-2008, 11:28 AM
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Now that both conventions are over, what do you score them?

I score the Dems an A-. The speeches were good, the delegates were enthused and the program was sound. It was as good as it gets. The policy and platform details were kind of skimpy until the last night.

I score the Repugs a C+. They picked up the pieces after the schedule disruption and did the best they could. However, EVERYTHING seemed just so scripted and pointedly partisan and personal. Did anyone notice the green-screen-of-death again? *snicker*
B/B- for both - each had a couple of good speeches, but overall, the speeches were weak and it was your usual, run-of-the-mill convention talk.

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No, I don't think that her personal life should be off limits. Obama's personal life (including his church choice and his wife's comments) was not off limits. Michelle Obama was critiqued for her comments and Palin should also be critiqued based on what she has publicly disclosed.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. As a woman, I can say that she does not need her hand held nor does she need protection. She is not a delicate flower like people like to think of her, just b/c she is a woman. We are tough. We can take it. She should be critiqued and vetted just like everyone else that has ever run for office. Do you think for a minute that John Edwards would have not been critiqued if his out of wedlock child would have come out during his run for president? Not for a minute do I believe that it would not be.

Everybody's personal life is fair game in any election.

*Besides, answer me this. Why is it ok for us to talk about two of her kids (the one in the service and the baby with down syndrome) but not the other one (the unmarried pregnant one)? SHE - yes, SP herself, is the one who keeps invoking her family but only when it gets her chips. SHE - yes, SP herself is the one who has made public statements about her 17 year old daughter.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If Obama and his family can be critique, so can Palin and her family. She.is.not.a.delicate.flower. We need to stop treating women as if we are some sort of delicate toy that will break at the first harsh or critical comment.

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I personally don't think any of it (Obama's church choice, Palin's children, etc.) has anything to do with the process. But, that's just me.
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:31 PM
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I personally don't think any of it (Obama's church choice, Palin's children, etc.) has anything to do with the process. But, that's just me.
Ordinarily, it shouldn't UNLESS the candidate politicizes it. Obama's church is relevant because he is trying to appeal to Evangelicals and other religious/moralistic voters; I think the Black church has been unfairly demonized but it is nonetheless relevant. Palin's children are relevant because she has politicized them. Her unmarried teenage daughter is a result of the failure of her abstinence-only philosophy. Her son going to Iraq is relevant because apparently she didn't pay much attention to the 5+ year old war, the most pressing foreign policy arena of our time, until her own family was affected.
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:09 PM
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Her son going to Iraq is relevant because apparently she didn't pay much attention to the 5+ year old war, the most pressing foreign policy arena of our time, until her own family was affected.
Believe me, I truly dislike this war, but that boy ought to be lauded for his choice to serve in the military. More than likely that he was trying to get out of Alaska and that was one way of doing it... The only thing I hope is that he comes back relatively healthy both mentally and physically. However, I heard that is doubtful no matter how much money folks put in to the mental health system at the VA... I've heard it is not good at all. And what I am reading about the mental health research reports, these folks ain't getting nothin back...

However, the military personnel are allowed to join the peace corps if they want to see the world. And if the Palin's were so religious, how come they did not go on Missions like Mitt Romney's family members did or even the pastors at Saddleback did?

It's that hypocrisy or doublespeak again...
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:57 AM
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The fact check on McCain's speech is now available....http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ng_mccain.html
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Old 09-12-2008, 03:39 PM
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Ok, I have been reading the transcript of the interview on ABC between Sarah Palin and Charlie Gibson and I am COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED.
Can I say that she OBVIOUSLY is an intellectual midget who does not know the first thing about what has been going on in our WORLD since who knows when. Of course, I'm not surprised now that I've foudn out that she just got a passport 2 weeks ago.

I'm floored. She knows nothing about Bush's policy, world relations. I'm just floored b/c she has the AUDACITY to be the leader of a U.S. STATE. Has she had her head in the sand for the last 8 years. She needs a simple world government class.

This is not about whether she is knowledgeable enough to be president, this is simply about whether she is knowledgeable enough to pass a World Government/Politics course. Probably not. Yet she calls herself a governor.

Take a read for yourself - notice that she never really answers any of the questions with the depth and insight that you would expect if she knew ANYTHING at all about world government. Heck, she didn't even know what Bush's 2002 strategy was. Then, when Charlie explained, she didn't even answer the question - b/c she didn't get it. The nuance was whether *preemption* should be our policy. She started talking about *imminent* threats. Clearly, if the threat is *imminent*, then this is not the case of preemption - which is what Charlie specifically asked about. I don't know. Maybe she doesn't know what preemption means. I'm not sure.

I'm frustrated. I'm an Obama supporter but geesh, McCain couldn't find anyone else? An intellectual midget indeed. Forget whether she is qualified to be VP or President. I'm starting to wonder if she's qualified to be governor. Somebody PLEEEEEEEASE get her a crash course in World Government.

http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/20...erview-on-abc/

Edited to Add: And I just found out that she went to 6 colleges in 6 years to get her Bachelor's. Maybe the World Government class slipped through the cracks with all that. She LOOKS so intelligent...until she opens her mouth. This is starting to feel real familiar.... (Bush 3?) I'm frustrated.
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Old 09-12-2008, 04:14 PM
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i think what's really interesting is that her supporters like her b/c she's "just like me". i've heard a number of people say this. plus these are the same folks who call Barack Obama an "elitist" and "uppity" (ie. he forgot his place) due to his education but not sarah palin. she's just a regular person. the same was said about bush (remember he's the one folks would like to drink a beer w/except for the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic).
wwhen it's all said and done, we'll have had 8 years of a "regular guy" (w/Yale and Harvard degrees and from a politically connected family). his C-average has us in terrible shape as a nation.
we just can't afford her 5 schools in 6 years or mccain's 5th from the bottom rank of his graduating class
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Old 09-12-2008, 04:33 PM
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Soror, I agree.

I mean, and I'm still just *completely floored*. I can't believe it. Who would have thought that she would be so ignorant of world issues...or even our own government's policies. What really kills me is that, even sitting all of that aside, she just didn't "get it" when Charlie was asking her about preemption. Even when he spelled it out for her, her answer clearly showed that she was not smart enough to think on her feet. None of her answers showed any thoughtfulness whatsoever.

I'm just completely floored. Does she run Alaska like this? Couldn't McCain have at least found someone who has been governor for 1.5 years AND who knew anything about world government???? She clearly didn't even know what Charlie was asking her about half the time. Anybody who reads the daily or weekly newspaper may have had more of a clue than her. What was that about being able to see Russia from Alaska? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Her ignorance just astounds me.

The entire thing was filled with platitudes. Half the time, she didn't even answer the question. I would feel more at ease if I thought that she was just AVOIDING the question. What worries me is that I *think* that she *thought* that she was actually ANSWERING the questions.

She's too ignorant to recognize her ignorance. Either that, or there's alot of "hubris" in the air. Wouldn't be the first time. I'm waiting for her to start pointing into the camera and threatening other countries next....

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i think what's really interesting is that her supporters like her b/c she's "just like me". i've heard a number of people say this. plus these are the same folks who call Barack Obama an "elitist" and "uppity" (ie. he forgot his place) due to his education but not sarah palin. she's just a regular person. the same was said about bush (remember he's the one folks would like to drink a beer w/except for the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic).
wwhen it's all said and done, we'll have had 8 years of a "regular guy" (w/Yale and Harvard degrees and from a politically connected family). his C-average has us in terrible shape as a nation.
we just can't afford her 5 schools in 6 years or mccain's 5th from the bottom rank of his graduating class
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Has anyone heard about GOP women's group boycotting Oprah because she won't have Palin on until after the election (We all know that Oprah is Obama's #1 supporter)? Interesting...and Oprah BETTER NOT back down!

And seriously.... Palin does not impress me at all! McCain's choice in her pretty much solidified who I will be voting for in November. Whoever advised him to pick her with the hopes of grabbing disgruntled HRC supports needs to be whipped with the long skinny switch from the bush in the backyard.

ETA: Ok for real....this isn't a satire interview blog???
excerpt:

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.
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Ok, I have been reading the transcript of the interview on ABC between Sarah Palin and Charlie Gibson and I am COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED.


http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/20...erview-on-abc/

Edited to Add: And I just found out that she went to 6 colleges in 6 years to get her Bachelor's. Maybe the World Government class slipped through the cracks with all that. She LOOKS so intelligent...until she opens her mouth. This is starting to feel real familiar.... (Bush 3?) I'm frustrated.

I'm at this interview. Can someone please explain this to me. I feel like I need to re-take a civics/government course after that interview.
I don't even have the words...I don't think there are any words for that. The Russia, The Bush Doctorine, Attacking across borders...I feel so confused and frustrated.

6 colleges in 6 years? Were they all in Alaska? Were they all accredited? What the hell?

I just can't. and I wont!

Im going to watch Obama on Youtube. I need a pick-me-up.


Oprah does not need to have that type of ignorance on her show. GOP women can boycott what they want, but I want to know how much of an impact they think they'll make on a woman who basically Single-handedly took on the Entire Beef Industry and WON. Really though? These ignorant and overly desperate housewives need to get over themselves.
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Old 09-12-2008, 04:59 PM
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I'm at this interview. Can someone please explain this to me. I feel like I need to re-take a civics/government course after that interview.
I don't even have the words...I don't think there are any words for that. The Russia, The Bush Doctorine, Attacking across borders...I feel so confused and frustrated.

6 colleges in 6 years? Were they all in Alaska? Were they all accredited? What the hell?

I just can't. and I wont!

Im going to watch Obama on Youtube. I need a pick-me-up.


Oprah does not need to have that type of ignorance on her show. GOP women can boycott what they want, but I want to know how much of an impact they think they'll make on a woman who basically Single-handedly took on the Entire Beef Industry and WON. Really though? These ignorant and overly desperate housewives need to get over themselves.

You need a pick me up? LOL. That's hilarious.

Yes, it's very confusing to watch. This is the kind of thing that you don't let kids watch b/c they will be so confused about world relations after that mess that it's just detrimental to their own intelligence.

The colleges were in Idaho and Hawaii. My fault, it was 5 in 6 years, not 6 in 6 years. Wouldn't want to discredit her.

Here's the September 2008 article from the Huffington Post. Maybe she was on the run. LOL. Who knows.

I tell you, the more I see this woman, the more I wonder about the reasons that McCain picked her.... I smell dirt. I can't imagine that it's really anything else. We all know he has a thing for young ditties. Guess we'll just have to wait and see why he REALLY picked her. Hope it comes out before the election. Really, there must be more to this story b/c this goes against all reason and logic. Maybe that's it. Is McCain getting senile? No, seriously. Maybe that explains it.

Here's the article.


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POKANE, Wash. - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attended five colleges in six years before graduating from the University of Idaho in 1987.

Federal privacy laws prohibit the schools from disclosing her grades, and none of the schools contacted by The Associated Press could say why she transferred. There was no indication any of them were contacted as part of the background investigation of Palin by presidential candidate John McCain's campaign.

"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.

Palin, the governor of Alaska, was born in Idaho. Her family moved when she was only a few months old to Alaska, where she was raised.

She began college at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only as a freshman during the fall of 1982, school spokeswoman Crystale Lopez said.

Then known as Sarah Louise Heath, she was in the business administration program as a full-time student, Lopez said.

"We're trying to track down someone who knew her," Lopez added.

From Hawaii Pacific, Palin transferred to North Idaho College, a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring 1983 and fall 1983, spokeswoman Stacy Hudson said.

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"We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything," Hudson said.

The school identified one of her professors but he did not remember her, Hudson said.

Prior to her selection by McCain, the North Idaho College Alumni Association notified Palin in June she would be the recipient of its 2008-2009 Distinguished Alumni of the Year Award.

From North Idaho College, Palin transferred 70 miles south to the University of Idaho, the state's flagship institution. She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast news. She attended Idaho, whose mascot is the Vandals, from fall 1984 to spring 1985.

She then returned to Alaska to attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer in fall 1985.

Then she returned to Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated. Despite her journalism degree, she does not appear to have worked for the college newspaper or campus television station, school officials said. She worked briefly as a sportscaster for KTUU in Anchorage after she graduated college.

The McCain campaign did not have an immediate comment on Palin's higher education record.

In a recent interview with the school's alumni magazine, before her selection to run on the GOP ticket, she explained that her curiosity and love of writing made journalism a natural choice.

"I was always asking everyone the questions, and I still am today," Palin told the magazine.

The University of Idaho is taking advantage of Palin's nomination. A prominent photograph of her is featured on the school's Web site.
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You need a pick me up? LOL. That's hilarious.

Yes, it's very confusing to watch. This is the kind of thing that you don't let kids watch b/c they will be so confused about world relations after that mess that it's just detrimental to their own intelligence.

The colleges were in Idaho and Hawaii. My fault, it was 5 in 6 years, not 6 in 6 years. Wouldn't want to discredit her.

Here's the September 2008 article from the Huffington Post. Maybe she was on the run. LOL. Who knows.

I tell you, the more I see this woman, the more I wonder about the reasons that McCain picked her.... I smell dirt. I can't imagine that it's really anything else. We all know he has a thing for young ditties. Guess we'll just have to wait and see why he REALLY picked her. Hope it comes out before the election. Really, there must be more to this story b/c this goes against all reason and logic. Maybe that's it. Is McCain getting senile? No, seriously. Maybe that explains it.

Here's the article.
I now need a pick me up AND a couple of asprin.

I just read the article (thanks for that) and I'm still confused as to what school she graduated from and what even happened with all of that. 6 years for a 4 year degree? in journalism? How can you get a degree in journalism and not keep up with world affairs? WTF? So many questions and so very few answers are leaving me confused and frustrated. Im glad im voting for Obama. If I were a republican...I'd write in Condi Rice and call it a day. LOL.

I don't know if JMac is that stupid. She isnt that cute either. There is some type of something going on. I don't think Jmac is the one who owes her. I think it might be his SR advisor chick or someone who is advising him who is in deep debt with Palin. It just doesnt add up. She's not well known even inside the party so I find it hard to believe that someone owes her. She also isnt from a family that is a political force (ie:Bush) so that cant be it either. Sex scandal isnt enough because Jmac has had those. I think they wanted the shock factor of picking a woman and they wanted an "outsider" (I think they got Lil Wayne's political equal because she is definitely talking some "Im a Martian" type stuff) and someone who "is all about change" so that they could counter the force that is Obama. They clearly wanted that image and felt that the benefit from it would out weigh the cost of her messy-ness. This kind-of makes sense. I do think they did not do a stringent enough background check. They probably checked for the basics and found the DUI and the investigation and pregnancy and figured they could cover that up and didnt go much deeper. That is probably the reason why they didnt announce her as the running mate until so late in the game. Had they announced it earlier then people would have had more time to dig up info on her. Since they waited til the last minute there is only a short amount of time for people to dig and then spread information. They figured a few months wouldnt be enough time for people to discover who she really is and it definitely wouldnt be enough time for the diggers to get the info out to the regular folks. They also dont mind her problems because after he gets elected she pretty much just disappears. President Truman had to step in after Roosevelts death and he knew nothing about what was going on. Thats how it is with most vice presidents. They dont do much of anything and are not often involved with the running of our nation. JMac is counting on Palin getting him more support and then when he is elected she will basically disappear and crawl back under the rock she came from. I in some ways agree with this thought because there are plenty of people who will not ever find out about her 6 year degree. I do think they made a huge miscalculation in this matter because they failed to address Obama's camp's extensive use of technology to spread info extremely quickly as well as the use of the internet and the media as a 24 hour non stop medium for info for regular peeps. Overall this was a horrible judgment call and I hope those McCain voters figure this out before they ruin their own lives. If they dont we might see a president impeached and removed.

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