Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by StarFish106

Maybe it's just me but a part of me feels like he is using her. If HRC didn't have such strong support or was never in the race to begin with, would he have still felt the need to get a woman? Don't get me wrong in theory it is about time that women are getting to play for the offices of POTUS and VP seriouosly. But do it because that's who you feel is best for you, not because you are scrambling trying to get another part of the demographic. If I wasn't voting for you on your own, why do you think just because you added someone who you think I should 'relate' to soley on basis of gender or race that I will now? Just MYO....(but I know there are those who will)

I think so too. She wasn't even on the long list of people being considered for the VP spot. Like TonyB said she's very conservative, a lifetime member of the NRA, and against abortion. Those are the issues that matter to those who will never vote anything but Republican. I think McCain can no longer talk about inexperience or not knowing the candidates based on his picking Palin. Maybe she's known in Republican circles, but she's definately not known on a national scale. CNN even admitted on air they didn't have much info on her.

I just don't see HRC supporters now voting for McCain just because he has a woman on the ticket. And if they were really HRC supporters they need to listen to her speech again. She asked if they were in it only for her or the bigger picture. And McCain just looked uncomfortable standing on stage with her. I know he's usually stiff looking, but seeing him next to someone who is more animated just highlights it even more.

Originally Posted by jitterbug13

Don't forget she has a four-month old son that has Downs Syndrome. It's hard enough having a baby period, but having one with a major disablity is going to be difficult if you're going to be VPOTUS. I was taking to my friend about this a few minutes ago and she called her selfish for running.

You're not alone. My friend and I both felt that she is getting pimped to get votes from Obama. And they talk about experience: Obama has been in the Senate longer than she's been governor. At least Bush had two terms as governor of Texas. I can't wait for the debates because Biden's going to eat her alive.

I'm not a mother, but I can't say the decision to run is selfish. And it was already mentioned that her and hubby knew of the baby's condition before giving birth and decided to keep the pregnacy. So if it's going to be made a political issue that keeps with her anti-abortion stance.

All that being said, this will be an interesting election. I'm actually going to watch the RNC just to find out who Palin is. I wonder how quick she is on her feet. I think Biden is going to rip her in the debate.

[Liquid Soule]

Originally Posted by Ten/Four

I just don't see HRC supporters now voting for McCain just because he has a woman on the ticket. And if they were really HRC supporters they need to listen to her speech again. .

A good reason for HRC voters to vote for Mccain, is so HRC can run again in 2012, and to slap at Obama and the Dems for the alleged snubbing of her queenship of the travelling pants suits. If Obama wins then she can't run again as a Dem until 2020 then she'll be in Mccains old behind shoes. The old gaurd, the hard core femenist are going the way of the polar bear, they know HRC is the only female in a strong enough position to become POTUS, in their lifetime. Lets not forget politics is like chess not connect four.

And there is little fear that the Right will overturn roe v wade. it will more likely never happen they need it as a hot button issue for elections in order to hold tight to the religous right, and social conservatives. If they slay that dragon then most of their warriors will go home. And the moral moderates who have become the independent swing vote have a large number of pro-choice.

just my 2 cents

[BlessedOne04]

All I can say is that Obama did what he had to do last night.He is just an inspiring person with some dang good ideas.As for McCain I hope people see him for what he is and that is a fraud.

[jitterbug13]

Originally Posted by Ten/Four

I'm not a mother, but I can't say the decision to run is selfish. And it was already mentioned that her and hubby knew of the baby's condition before giving birth and decided to keep the pregnacy. So if it's going to be made a political issue that keeps with her anti-abortion stance.

I'm not a mother either and my friend's not either, but I wouldn't call it selfish. I think that she could have considered it more. But there are many women, mothers or not, who may feel the same way as my friend.

Originally Posted by Liquid Soule

A good reason for HRC voters to vote for Mccain, is so HRC can run again in 2012, and to slap at Obama and the Dems for the alleged snubbing of her queenship of the travelling pants suits. If Obama wins then she can't run again as a Dem until 2020 then she'll be in Mccains old behind shoes.

This quote made me laugh.

[RedefinedDiva]

Originally Posted by Liquid Soule

A good reason for HRC voters to vote for Mccain, is so HRC can run again in 2012, and to slap at Obama and the Dems for the alleged snubbing of her queenship of the travelling pants suits. If Obama wins then she can't run again as a Dem until 2020 then she'll be in Mccains old behind shoes.

Does someone have dibs on 2016 already?

[Liquid Soule]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

Does someone have dibs on 2016 already?

my bad was late, and doing three things at once.

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by Liquid Soule

A good reason for HRC voters to vote for Mccain, is so HRC can run again in 2012, and to slap at Obama and the Dems for the alleged snubbing of her queenship of the travelling pants suits. If Obama wins then she can't run again as a Dem until 2020 then she'll be in Mccains old behind shoes. The old gaurd, the hard core femenist are going the way of the polar bear, they know HRC is the only female in a strong enough position to become POTUS, in their lifetime. Lets not forget politics is like chess not connect four.

And there is little fear that the Right will overturn roe v wade. it will more likely never happen they need it as a hot button issue for elections in order to hold tight to the religous right, and social conservatives. If they slay that dragon then most of their warriors will go home. And the moral moderates who have become the independent swing vote have a large number of pro-choice.

just my 2 cents

I hear what you're saying, but I really want to believe that people wouldn't make themselves unnecessarily suffer (4 yrs. of McCain) just so they can elect Hilary the next go round. So much can happen in 4 years. Bush's first term is a perfect example.