Obama's running mate

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think
But, hey, I'm just a Republican who isn't all that thrilled with his own party's candidate, and is voting for him in a "lesser of two evils" context.

Finally! I've found a republican who admits he's not "thrilled" with McCain. For some reason, my friends just won't fess up! I remember when McCain was disliked by the republicans. He WAS such a maverick (at times), his conservative counterparts called him "liberal minded." John McCain WAS an independent thinking man I once admired. Hasn't anyone noticed how he has changed over the past eight years (minus the war, of course)? He's fed into all the hype...proving his "conservative beliefs" of pro-life, tax cuts and his disapproval of gay marriage. I guess I can't blame him. How could he have won over his party w/o doing so? If I have learned one thing from my conservative friends it would be that they vote "Republican, no matter what!" I don't know how many times I've heard this.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Fair enough - I think, though, that the same interest groups are going to be there. Also, those political appointees will probably be on thin ice, no matter who gets elected - McCain and Bush aren't the best of pals, so I think there'd still be a housecleaning.

He could of fooled me! He voted with the dude 95% (or you can use Fox News, who reported 86%) of the time.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by pinksirfidel

Finally! I've found a republican who admits he's not "thrilled" with McCain. For some reason, my friends just won't fess up! I remember when McCain was disliked by the republicans. He WAS such a maverick (at times), his conservative counterparts called him "liberal minded." John McCain WAS an independent thinking man I once admired. Hasn't anyone noticed how he has changed over the past eight years (minus the war, of course)? He's fed into all the hype...proving his "conservative beliefs" of pro-life, tax cuts and his disapproval of gay marriage. I guess I can't blame him. How could he have won over his party w/o doing so? If I have learned one thing from my conservative friends it would be that they vote "Republican, no matter what!" I don't know how many times I've heard this.

The thing is, McCain was NEVER all that liberal. Saying he was liberal is like saying Lieberman was conservative. If you look at McCain's voting record and his stances on issues, he's always been quite conservative on most issues. He got the reputation because of his stances on campaign financing, and a whole lot of spin.

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

The thing is, McCain was NEVER all that liberal. Saying he was liberal is like saying Lieberman was conservative. If you look at McCain's voting record and his stances on issues, he's always been quite conservative on most issues. He got the reputation because of his stances on campaign financing, and a whole lot of spin.

"Spin" by the same party that now supports him?...you gotta love politics! Democrat or republican; Washington politicians must think we're stupid! Considering we believe in so much bull that they put in front us...maybe its true what my high school government teacher used to always say: "the masses are asses!"

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by pinksirfidel

"Spin" by the same party that now supports him?...you gotta love politics! Democrat or republican; Washington politicians must think we're stupid! Considering we believe in so much bull that they put in front us...maybe its true what my high school government teacher used to always say: "the masses are asses!"

No - spin by his own people. If you talked to real Republicans who understood things, they would have told you McCain's stances on things. Just because the media painted him as a "maverick" doesn't mean a whole lot.

And, obviously, the tactic worked on some people - you just stated that you thought he was a "maverick," and "liberal-minded" on some issues.

[AGDee]

I do think that there was "spin" that he was more moderate than he is during the 2000 election, by Bush's people, to keep him from being elected by the conservative right wing. The Republican party didn't want him to be the candidate in 2000 and that seemed clear at the time.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I do think that there was "spin" that he was more moderate than he is during the 2000 election, by Bush's people, to keep him from being elected by the conservative right wing. The Republican party didn't want him to be the candidate in 2000 and that seemed clear at the time.

That's a good point - I also think he embraced it, to a certain extent, to differentiate himself from Bush. Essentially, I think the whole "maverick" thing really came down to his ideas on campaign financing.

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

No - spin by his own people. If you talked to real Republicans who understood things, they would have told you McCain's stances on things. Just because the media painted him as a "maverick" doesn't mean a whole lot.

And, obviously, the tactic worked on some people - you just stated that you thought he was a "maverick," and "liberal-minded" on some issues.

Guess it did! McCain even refers to himself as a Maverick! He voted against the Bush tax cuts TWICE and pass the McCain-Feingold reform. I don't think republicans were happy about those things!

[AznSAE]

i have yet to find:

1. a black person who is against obama
2. big name celebrities who support mccain

[AGDee]

Don't know where else to post this, but just got a text message from my 14 year old daughter, who is on vacation with her (very Republican) dad, saying "I really like Obama, can we go to the next democratic convention?" I love that kid!

Originally Posted by AznSAE

i have yet to find:

1. a black person who is against obama
2. big name celebrities who support mccain

Arnold Schwarzenegger? Heidi Montag? HAR.

I kept seeing people wearing leis at the DNC. How wonderful!

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by AznSAE

i have yet to find:

1. a black person who is against obama
2. big name celebrities who support mccain

You must not be reading/watching the news... Your comments are quite naive.

1. On Larry King tonight, political commentator & radio host, Larry Elder is black and can't stand the man! Ooh, and there's plenty more African Americans anti-Obama on Fox News...Condolezza Rice, Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, etc.

2. Sylvester Stalone, Steven Baldwin, Jon Voight, Angie Harmon, Daddy Yankee, Kelsey Grammer, Gary Sinise, Craig Nelson, Dean Cain, Tom Selleck, Lorenzo Lamas, Heidi Montag (lol), John Cryer, just to name a few.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by pinksirfidel

Guess it did! McCain even refers to himself as a Maverick! He voted against the Bush tax cuts TWICE and pass the McCain-Feingold reform. I don't think republicans were happy about those things!

Ok, I really don't know where you're going with all of this. You talk about him voting with the President for a certain percentage of the time, to try to make the point that he is just like Bush. Then, you say this. That, and you put everything in exclamation points, as if you've proven me incorrect on something.

If you're against McCain, and you have your reasons, that's fine. But, your statements in this thread have been a tad misleading.

[pinksirfidel]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Ok, I really don't know where you're going with all of this. You talk about him voting with the President for a certain percentage of the time, to try to make the point that he is just like Bush. Then, you say this. That, and you put everything in exclamation points, as if you've proven me incorrect on something.

If you're against McCain, and you have your reasons, that's fine. But, your statements in this thread have been a tad misleading.

Misleading? Let me make myself clear. I'm definitely an Obama supporter, however, I don't vote party lines! I was simply stating the facts...

Btw, look at the history of my posts! I always use exclamation points. Its a bad habit! I'm not trying to prove anything, just stating what I know to be facts.