Why? Sophomore UGA story

[vaisbest]

Since I am from up north, I felt a need to clarify something here. UGA sounds like a fun school but really, it is not the hardest or best school so to say that all of the sororities are amazing is a bit far fetched. We are not talking about Vandy or Vassar here. And since when did get a bid mean that you are better than....

Next, it is so silly to make others feel at fault for a popularity contest gone bad. The few minutes spent with a girl does not qualify anyone to judge whether they fit in. It is a very random, very power driven week in the life of a very impressionable 18 year old that can make them a few instant friends or help them start off college with a very bad taste in their mouths.

Last, girls you don't have to pay dues and go through this to have fun in college. you should do this because you actually like the process and want to be a part of it. it is like grad school....not required but can be good for some. so relax and take the money you saved and go do something else that makes you happy.

Originally Posted by vaisbest

Since I am from up north, I felt a need to clarify something here. UGA sounds like a fun school but really, it is not the hardest or best school so to say that all of the sororities are amazing is a bit far fetched. We are not talking about Vandy or Vassar here. And since when did get a bid mean that you are better than....

Next, it is so silly to make others feel at fault for a popularity contest gone bad. The few minutes spent with a girl does not qualify anyone to judge whether they fit in. It is a very random, very power driven week in the life of a very impressionable 18 year old that can make them a few instant friends or help them start off college with a very bad taste in their mouths.

Last, girls you don't have to pay dues and go through this to have fun in college. you should do this because you actually like the process and want to be a part of it. it is like grad school....not required but can be good for some. so relax and take the money you saved and go do something else that makes you happy.

No one said that UGA's the best or the hardest. No one said that getting a bid makes you better than those who didn't.

Your "clarification" is unnecessary. You are dismissed.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by OTW

No one said that UGA's the best or the hardest. No one said that getting a bid makes you better than those who didn't.

If anything, we tend to try to tell PNMs who don't get bids that Greek Life ISN'T the most important part of college life. I don't recall anyone saying in this thread that those who do get bids are better than anyone.

ETA: Proof of that:

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Cuts are tough for the girls and their friends/families who have to comfort them, but at the end of the day, college (and life) goes on. Rejection is tough for anyone, and probably even moreso for young college aged women who have been successful at everything else.

The best thing we can do is say that we're sorry things didn't work out. The best thing you can do as a friend/mom/aunt/whomever is encourage her to enjoy the rest of her college experience, whether that means looking into COB opportunities (if there are any at UGA) or just forgeting about Greek Life, getting involved elsewhere, and moving on.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OTW

No one said that UGA's the best or the hardest. No one said that getting a bid makes you better than those who didn't.

Your "clarification" is unnecessary. You are dismissed.

Thanks!

[UGAalum94]

OP,

I'm not blaming the young women for choosing poorly certainly, but it's possible that the scenario described earlier in the thread did play out a little bit for her.

If she got most of the twelve that she wanted at the end of round one and she is like most PNMs, it may be the case that these were the absolutely most selective chapters who are probably least likely to take many sophomores. Had she instead gone back to her bottom five for second round and these were less selective chapters (for lack of a better way of expressing it), it's possible that she would have ended up with a bid.

Carnation, who I haven't seen posting but who is kind of an SEC rush expert, has noticed that at UGA it's much better to be cut hard after first round because then there's a good chance you can stick with some of your remaining chapters all the way through. If instead you are in a position to "cut" chapters after first, but then are cut hard yourself after second, you have nowhere to go.

This may have been a little bit what happened to your goddaughter.

There may be some COB opportunities, and if she's a real glutton for recruitment punishment, when UGA released the bid lists last year, there were even a couple of juniors on it last year.

[InHerShoes]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

OP,

I'm not blaming the young women for choosing poorly certainly, but it's possible that the scenario described earlier in the thread did play out a little bit for her.

If she got most of the twelve that she wanted at the end of round one and she is like most PNMs, it may be the case that these were the absolutely most selective chapters who are probably least likely to take many sophomores. Had she instead gone back to her bottom five for second round and these were less selective chapters (for lack of a better way of expressing it), it's possible that she would have ended up with a bid.

Carnation, who I haven't seen posting but who is kind of an SEC rush expert, has noticed that at UGA it's much better to be cut hard after first round because then there's a good chance you can stick with some of your remaining chapters all the way through. If instead you are in a position to "cut" chapters after first, but then are cut hard yourself after second, you have nowhere to go.

This may have been a little bit what happened to your goddaughter.

But the scenario you described is clearly NOT what happened. At UGA you can attend a maximum of 12 parties for round 2. This girl attended 10. This means that 7 groups released HER and SHE did not cut any groups. Where these houses that she visited fell within her rankings we don't know, but it doesn't really matter if they were her top choices or her bottom choices. SHE DID NOT CUT ANY SORORITIES. She attended every party that she was invited to during the week and was released from every house. We do not know the reason why she went bidless, but we know that it was NOT because she didn't maximize her options.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by InHerShoes

But the scenario you described is clearly NOT what happened. At UGA you can attend a maximum of 12 parties for round 2. This girl attended 10. This means that 7 groups released HER and SHE did not cut any groups. Where these houses that she visited fell within her rankings we don't know, but it doesn't really matter if they were her top choices or her bottom choices. SHE DID NOT CUT ANY SORORITIES. She attended every party that she was invited to during the week and was released from every house. We do not know the reason why she went bidless, but we know that it was NOT because she didn't maximize her options.

Thank you. I thought you could go back to 12, but I didn't read carefully enough to see she was only invited back to 10. I was thinking that she only liked 10 of the twelve.

I didn't mean to suggest that she didn't maximize anyway, though, since even if she was in the position to cut after first, she still would have maximized by attending as many parties as she could.

You are right though, my "explanation" is meaningless if she only got 10 invites..

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by vaisbest

Since I am from up north, I felt a need to clarify something here. UGA sounds like a fun school but really, it is not the hardest or best school so to say that all of the sororities are amazing is a bit far fetched. We are not talking about Vandy or Vassar here. And since when did get a bid mean that you are better than....

Next, it is so silly to make others feel at fault for a popularity contest gone bad. The few minutes spent with a girl does not qualify anyone to judge whether they fit in. It is a very random, very power driven week in the life of a very impressionable 18 year old that can make them a few instant friends or help them start off college with a very bad taste in their mouths.

Last, girls you don't have to pay dues and go through this to have fun in college. you should do this because you actually like the process and want to be a part of it. it is like grad school....not required but can be good for some. so relax and take the money you saved and go do something else that makes you happy.

Just wondering, are you in a Sorority? Not that you need to be in order to have an opinion, but words have more worth when you have some experience or evidence to back them up.

Although I agree with you that you do not need to go Greek to have a fulfilling and fun college career, there are many that are members and who really enjoy their experiences during and after college, and to judge them is unfair.

Yes, rush is difficult on many levels. I do understand the heartbreak (if you ever care to hear my story I would love to share it). But girls go into it being told that there are no guarantees and therefore they need to be prepared for the possibility of not being offered a bid.

As far as who gives someone the right to judge others based on a 10-minute conversation - I'd say that anyone who has say in who gets into an organization, job, etc., has the right. The criteria may change (and face it, even in jobs, people are judged on seemingly superficial things when you have to choose one person over another - or hundreds). I suggest that if you are going to bash a process, at least back it up with some evidence. Otherwise, you just come off sounding bitter and ignorant.

PS before you bash me, please look up the definition for ignorant.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Just wondering, are you in a Sorority?

Bottom-tier from....New Jersey County Tech at Newark, I would guess.