Alabama Recruitment Prediction (Fall 2008)

[Titchou]

I can't locate the bid lsit. Is it up yet? THanks!

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

I can't locate the bid lsit. Is it up yet? THanks!

No

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by peaches321

This is only my second year having a daughter at Bama, but I'm coming progressively more adept at explaining what happens. Assuming that everyone made recruitment quota- some chapters will have stopped at recruitment quota, some will have taken the opportunity to add those upperclassmen that aren't part of that first number, some will have had quota additions on top of quota, and some will have possibly utilized recruitment to fill in any spots that take them to chapter total. Chapters that reached chapter total by just taking recruitment quota who did not extend bids to upperclassmen will report that recruitment quota as quota, BUT any chapter that had any of the other numbers added in will possibly refer to that new number as quota. At least, until the Real Report comes out.

The important thing is, every one of these new sisters is a part of the fall new member class, and that's what counts. So, depending upon which delirious Bama sister you get to slow down long enough to give you an answer... you'll get a different number.

Originally Posted by peaches321

Many of the houses do not take upperclassmen. You are correct.

Just wanted to correct/clarify some things. The chapters do not have a say in how many women they get through Formal Recruitment nor does Chapter Total have any bearing on this number. Panhellenic attempts to match bids so that the maximum number of PNMs receive bids AND the maximum number of chapters achieve quota.

All chapters who participate in Formal Recruitment are obligated to take Upperclassmen. There is a seperate Upperclassmen quota for them and handled in an identical manner as Freshmen quota. If a chapter misses the Upperclassmen quota they may snap bid another Upperclassmen to achieve it. They may not snap another Freshmen to fill Upperclassmen quota or vice versa. FYI - Panhellenic only reports the Freshmen quota to our I/natls. So from an I/natl statistical standpoint, Upperclassmen are counted as quota additions.

Panhellenic also determines who quota additions are and how many each chapter receives. This is not based on Chapter Total either, rather a continued attempt to place as many PNMs as possible in the chapters which the PNMs preffed yet didn't match. Panhellenic balances them out so that no single chapter receives say 20 quota additions while everyone else gets 0.

Snap bidding only occurs during Formal Recruitment to get up to Quota. After that it is called COB (Continuous Open Bidding) or COR (Continuous Open Recruitment). Chapters that achieved quota through Formal Recruitment yet are still below Chapter Total don't snap up to Total. In "regular" years (for lack of a better word), any chapter that was still below Total could COB/COR right away or throughout the semester/year until they achieved Total. However this year with Alpha Phi's colonization there is a moratorium on COR so that they may recruit without potential competition. (I don't recall the date when the moratorium is lifted.)

Originally Posted by BBelleADPi

Zillini:

From one alum to another, thanks for all the hard work you put into the sorority and this chapter. I know this time of year, especially, is tiring on you and your family. Just want you to know that you are appreciated!

Thank you! I'd also like to thank all alums who contribute their time to their local chapter's Recruitment -- especially the Advisors. I'd also like to thank their families who put up with them being away from home so much. Recruitment is pure insanity with ridicously long hours, especially at a large competitive school like Bama. For the college age girls it's not nearly as big a hardship since this is the only thing going on in their lives. But for the alums who are juggling families, jobs and other real life obligations, it takes a real toll -- physically with the long, crazy hours and emotionally with the intense stress to make sure everything is done perfectly. The world will come to an end if the wrong PNM gets invited/cut.

The earliest I got home on any night was midnight. Those were the nights when it was the first half of a two day round. The latest was 4:30am. Yet I still had to be up everyday at 6:30am to get my kids ready for school. I saw my Hubby long enough each day to say "Hi". I was ready to walk out the door as soon as he got home from work to take care of the kids.

[bamamom4]

Originally Posted by Zillini

Just wanted to correct/clarify some things. The chapters do not have a say in how many women they get through Formal Recruitment nor does Chapter Total have any bearing on this number. Panhellenic attempts to match bids so that the maximum number of PNMs receive bids AND the maximum number of chapters achieve quota.

All chapters who participate in Formal Recruitment are obligated to take Upperclassmen. There is a seperate Upperclassmen quota for them and handled in an identical manner as Freshmen quota. If a chapter misses the Upperclassmen quota they may snap bid another Upperclassmen to achieve it. They may not snap another Freshmen to fill Upperclassmen quota or vice versa. FYI - Panhellenic only reports the Freshmen quota to our I/natls. So from an I/natl statistical standpoint, Upperclassmen are counted as quota additions.

Panhellenic also determines who quota additions are and how many each chapter receives. This is not based on Chapter Total either, rather a continued attempt to place as many PNMs as possible in the chapters which the PNMs preffed yet didn't match. Panhellenic balances them out so that no single chapter receives say 20 quota additions while everyone else gets 0.

Snap bidding only occurs during Formal Recruitment to get up to Quota. After that it is called COB (Continuous Open Bidding) or COR (Continuous Open Recruitment). Chapters that achieved quota through Formal Recruitment yet are still below Chapter Total don't snap up to Total. In "regular" years (for lack of a better word), any chapter that was still below Total could COB/COR right away or throughout the semester/year until they achieved Total. However this year with Alpha Phi's colonization there is a moratorium on COR so that they may recruit without potential competition. (I don't recall the date when the moratorium is lifted.)



Thank you! I'd also like to thank all alums who contribute their time to their local chapter's Recruitment -- especially the Advisors. I'd also like to thank their families who put up with them being away from home so much. Recruitment is pure insanity with ridicously long hours, especially at a large competitive school like Bama. For the college age girls it's not nearly as big a hardship since this is the only thing going on in their lives. But for the alums who are juggling families, jobs and other real life obligations, it takes a real toll -- physically with the long, crazy hours and emotionally with the intense stress to make sure everything is done perfectly. The world will come to an end if the wrong PNM gets invited/cut.

The earliest I got home on any night was midnight. Those were the nights when it was the first half of a two day round. The latest was 4:30am. Yet I still had to be up everyday at 6:30am to get my kids ready for school. I saw my Hubby long enough each day to say "Hi". I was ready to walk out the door as soon as he got home from work to take care of the kids.

My daughter did not get a bid. Will she have another chance ever to join a sorority? If so, what are the procedures?

Thanks.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by bamamom4

My daughter did not get a bid. Will she have another chance ever to join a sorority? If so, what are the procedures? Thanks.

Bamamom, several years ago my daughter did not get a bid either, but she did a few weeks after formal recruitment.
There are always a few PNMs that quit, and some members graduate in December. There is always a handful of sororities that COB. It is not normally the big-big-big groups. Often the few spots that do occur go to friends of sorority members, but you never know.
This year is a little different with the moratorium on pledging before Alpha Phi begins their colonization.
Daughter needs to go to the Panhellenic office and sign up for COB. I would especially encourage her to explore Alpha Phi, as well. She also really needs to again consider the smaller groups. Students can have just as fulfilling a sorority experience in a smaller group - sometimes even more. A smaller group is often a closer group. It also affords a greater opportunity to serve in a leadership position, and to REALLY make a difference in the group.
That said...Greeks do NOT make up the majority of students at UA, even though it sometimes seems like it! There are plenty of activities and new friends out there for your daughter.
Encourage her to go to Bama Blast (on Tuesday, I think), and sign up for some great campus organizations there!

[Bamamom13]

Encourage her to go to Bama Blast (on Tuesday, I think), and sign up for some great campus organizations there!

There will be a Get On Board Day on the quad. It is on Wednesday, August 27. All of the student organizations will be there and it is a great opportunity to see all the organizations that are on campus.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by Bamamom13

There will be a Get On Board Day on the quad. It is on Wednesday, August 27. All of the student organizations will be there and it is a great opportunity to see all the organizations that are on campus.

That's what I was trying to remember! Thanks, Bamamom13, for posting the correct info!
OK...recruitment is over...time for some FOOTBALL!!!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Zillini

Just wanted to correct/clarify some things. The chapters do not have a say in how many women they get through Formal Recruitment nor does Chapter Total have any bearing on this number. Panhellenic attempts to match bids so that the maximum number of PNMs receive bids AND the maximum number of chapters achieve quota.

All chapters who participate in Formal Recruitment are obligated to take Upperclassmen. There is a seperate Upperclassmen quota for them and handled in an identical manner as Freshmen quota. If a chapter misses the Upperclassmen quota they may snap bid another Upperclassmen to achieve it. They may not snap another Freshmen to fill Upperclassmen quota or vice versa. FYI - Panhellenic only reports the Freshmen quota to our I/natls. So from an I/natl statistical standpoint, Upperclassmen are counted as quota additions.

Panhellenic also determines who quota additions are and how many each chapter receives. This is not based on Chapter Total either, rather a continued attempt to place as many PNMs as possible in the chapters which the PNMs preffed yet didn't match. Panhellenic balances them out so that no single chapter receives say 20 quota additions while everyone else gets 0.

Snap bidding only occurs during Formal Recruitment to get up to Quota. After that it is called COB (Continuous Open Bidding) or COR (Continuous Open Recruitment). Chapters that achieved quota through Formal Recruitment yet are still below Chapter Total don't snap up to Total. In "regular" years (for lack of a better word), any chapter that was still below Total could COB/COR right away or throughout the semester/year until they achieved Total. However this year with Alpha Phi's colonization there is a moratorium on COR so that they may recruit without potential competition. (I don't recall the date when the moratorium is lifted.)



Thank you! I'd also like to thank all alums who contribute their time to their local chapter's Recruitment -- especially the Advisors. I'd also like to thank their families who put up with them being away from home so much. Recruitment is pure insanity with ridicously long hours, especially at a large competitive school like Bama. For the college age girls it's not nearly as big a hardship since this is the only thing going on in their lives. But for the alums who are juggling families, jobs and other real life obligations, it takes a real toll -- physically with the long, crazy hours and emotionally with the intense stress to make sure everything is done perfectly. The world will come to an end if the wrong PNM gets invited/cut.

The earliest I got home on any night was midnight. Those were the nights when it was the first half of a two day round. The latest was 4:30am. Yet I still had to be up everyday at 6:30am to get my kids ready for school. I saw my Hubby long enough each day to say "Hi". I was ready to walk out the door as soon as he got home from work to take care of the kids.

Thanks for this!

I really misunderstood a lot, particularly about upperclassmen quota. That's for taking the time to put it all together.