Plegdes wearing letters???

[SweetHardt]

I am a Delta Zeta at Shepherd University. The sorority cannot say we are not allowed to wear letters , but out of respect we did not wear them until we were initiated. It can be considered hazing to tell members they are not alllowed the letters,

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by SweetHardt

I am a Delta Zeta at Shepherd University. The sorority cannot say we are not allowed to wear letters , but out of respect we did not wear them until we were initiated. It can be considered hazing to tell members they are not alllowed the letters,

not at you but at the broad definition of hazing.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

not at you but at the broad definition of hazing.

For real!

I don't care what hazing law says. If you're not a member of my organization, you're not wearing my letters.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

For real!

I don't care what hazing law says. If you're not a member of my organization, you're not wearing my letters.

And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is where the real issue comes in. In NPCs, it is a generally accepted rule that new girls are new MEMBERS. Members is the key word in that sentence. In other organizations, this is not true - your pledges or aspirants or whatever the heck you call them are NOT members.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is where the real issue comes in. In NPCs, it is a generally accepted rule that new girls are new MEMBERS. Members is the key word in that sentence. In other organizations, this is not true - your pledges or aspirants or whatever the heck you call them are NOT members.

If someone doesn't know the full scope of your (general you) organization and what everything means, I don't see how they can be viewed as members. Giving someone the perks of being in your organization when they don't understand it is a bit odd.

Not wrong, just different.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If someone doesn't know the full scope of your (general you) organization and what everything means, I don't see how they can be viewed as members. Giving someone the perks of being in your organization when they don't understand it is a bit odd.

Not wrong, just different.

I think it all depends on how you define "member". There are stages of membership in many GLOs. Some define some of the stages as non-member stages, some don't. NPCs consider their "pledges" as members from day one - other GLOs don't consider their "pledges" as members at all, but as aspiring members.

I think it is a bit odd to have someone who is sort of a member, but not really - it's kind of like being a "little" pregnant. To me, you either are or are not. You don't "know" what you know about the baby at 8 months when you are only 6 weeks along, but at both stages, you are pregnant.

The ole "different strokes" cliche.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I think itt all depends on how you define "member". There are stages of membership in many GLOs. Some define some of the stages as non-member stages, some don't. NPCs consider their "pledges" as members from day one - other GLOs don't consider their "pledges" as members at all, but as aspiring members.

Right. That's what fantASTic was saying. I get it, but it's different.

I think it is a bit odd to have someone who is sort of a member, but not really - it's kind of like being a "little" pregnant. To me, you either are or are not. You don't "know" what you know about the baby at 8 months when you are only 6 weeks along, but at both stages, you are pregnant.

The ole "different strokes" cliche.

LOL @ being a little pregnant. I was thinking of it like an engagement/marriage. Yes, there's obviously a bond there if you're married. Yes, you can try to behave like you're married. But you don't get the "perks" of marriage and can't really say you've experienced "married life" until you're actually married.

ETA:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I think it is a bit odd to have someone who is sort of a member, but not really

They're not sort of members -- just non-members

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is where the real issue comes in. In NPCs, it is a generally accepted rule that new girls are new MEMBERS. Members is the key word in that sentence. In other organizations, this is not true - your pledges or aspirants or whatever the heck you call them are NOT members.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make in my post *about my local organization TLS*, why we never used the 'new member' terminology when the word 'pledge' was dropped *at the time I was in college*. In a way they were still potential new members, even though they had been given a bid. Potential members, prospective members, aspiring members, etc. But not members, and therefore not 'new' members.

ETA - in our case, after we stopped calling them pledges, we called them Taus.

*Edited again to specify the organization and the time frame, since as I mentioned in the first post I do not know what the exact current policy is.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by pbear19

That's exactly the point I was trying to make in my post, why we never used the 'new member' terminology when the word 'pledge' was dropped. In a way they were still potential new members, even though they had been given a bid. Potential members, prospective members, aspiring members, etc. But not members, and therefore not 'new' members.

ETA - in our case, after we stopped calling them pledges, we called them Taus.

You might want to specify ( again - I know you did in your original post) that you are not referring to Gamma Phi Beta, which does indeed refer to what were "pledges" as "new members"(www.gammaphibeta.org) , but to Tau Lamda.

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

You might want to specify ( again - I know you did in your original post) that you are not referring to Gamma Phi Beta, which does indeed refer to what were "pledges" as "new members"(www.gammaphibeta.org) , but to Tau Lamda.

Sorry, I should have specified again so there wouldn't be confusion. Definitely I was only referring to TLS, since that is the organization that I had first hand knowledge of in college.