Ole Miss drops GPA exceptions for rush

Originally Posted by 33girl

Well, of course there's all the outfits you buy and such, so even if the fee is only $100...plus the $270 might include staying in the dorm or something. There's a thread on here about what rush costs at the different schools.

But I was talking about $100 is not small as opposed to $20 or less at a school w/ a teeny Greek system.

That definitely has to take care of housing. I know that Registration Fees help pay for rush t-shirts, booklets, and other rush-related supplies, but I can't imagine it being $270 (housing not included), even at a big competitive school.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by OTW

That definitely has to take care of housing. I know that Registration Fees help pay for rush t-shirts, booklets, and other rush-related supplies, but I can't imagine it being $270 (housing not included), even at a big competitive school.

Housing's not an issue because it's during school and all the girls live in the dorms.

I'm not sure... gee ess might know more on how much it costs, but I do know that it's gotta be at least higher than our fraternity rush (120 if you sign up late)

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OTW

That definitely has to take care of housing. I know that Registration Fees help pay for rush t-shirts, booklets, and other rush-related supplies, but I can't imagine it being $270 (housing not included), even at a big competitive school.

That's probably with housing and/or maybe all meals for the week at dining services.

If you do the late registration at UGA these days, it's $145 and that's including some meals and transportation, but there's no housing portion. You either just move in early for Fall in the dorms or you move into your apartment.

Interestingly, some girls pretend they are going through recruitment and pay the recruitment fee so that they can move into the dorms early. That's really funny to me. It kind of says, I want a week of straight up partying before classes even start.

It seems like long in the past that UGA did rush week and then there was a week before classes started, so that you did separate housing for rush week in the dorms that wasn't your actual room for fall. I might be misremembering that though. My point is that maybe some campuses are still doing something like that.


ETA and somewhat actually on topic: is Ole Miss someplace where sophs or juniors are free or is it someplace where if you don't rush as a freshman it really hurts your odds? Because as much as having a grade exception for learning disabilities seems very compassionate, if a PNM can rush with success as a soph, it's probably a lot better for anyone without a 2.5 out of high school to wait a year and see how it goes.

[Tippiechick]

is Ole Miss someplace where sophs or juniors are free or is it someplace where if you don't rush as a freshman it really hurts your odds? Because as much as having a grade exception for learning disabilities seems very compassionate, if a PNM can rush with success as a soph, it's probably a lot better for anyone without a 2.5 out of high school to wait a year and see how it goes.

There ARE exceptions. But, it definitely hurts your chances of getting a bid. I think OleMissGlitter can be more specific on current policies. But, if I recall, there were upperclassmen additions allowed. And, I could be wrong, but I think that was only up to total. Considering the groups at or above total, that doesn't leave much room for upperclassmen. If you are a group, do you really want to take the person who can pay dues for 2 years or someone who'll pay all 4 years?

But, like others have said, if a girl can't keep her shit together in high school well enough to get a gpa of 2.5, she's gonna have a hell of a time in college if she adds extra-currics. And, you'd want to have some major legacies going on if you have that kind of gpa. Groups still have their academic gpa averages to worry about. If you take someone who is borderline, and they cannot maintain the gpa of that specific group, you end up with someone who gets kicked out/suspended/whatever for grades.

[GatorDG]

Grades are only part of the package. A 3.5 student at some high schools would not be a 3.5 student at others. I was looking through the packet of my daughter's pledge class where a girl had a 96% out of 100% as her high school gpa but only a 22 ACT. Another had a 3.2 and a 29 ACT. My daughter had a 2.7 from her high school and a 23 ACT, yet is now on the Dean's list. You can have a 4.0 student that goes off the deep end in college.

There has to be standards, but I hate to see such a firm line drawn without a look at the overall package. Sometimes being part of a GLO can help a girl academically. It is very foreign to many of us whose schools have minimum admisson requirement of 3.5 and the reality is that even with a 4.0 you may not be admitted. But it is not for us to judge a school about their admission policies.

I am sure that Ole Miss has it reasons. It might be a way to cut down on the number of girls going through recruitment. I do believe that the last several years the pledge classes at Ole Miss have been larger than the chapter total on many campuses.

I wish all those going through recruitment in the fall the best of luck!

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by GatorDG

Grades are only part of the package. A 3.5 student at some high schools would not be a 3.5 student at others. I was looking through the packet of my daughter's pledge class where a girl had a 96% out of 100% as her high school gpa but only a 22 ACT. Another had a 3.2 and a 29 ACT. My daughter had a 2.7 from her high school and a 23 ACT, yet is now on the Dean's list. You can have a 4.0 student that goes off the deep end in college.

There has to be standards, but I hate to see such a firm line drawn without a look at the overall package. Sometimes being part of a GLO can help a girl academically. It is very foreign to many of us whose schools have minimum admisson requirement of 3.5 and the reality is that even with a 4.0 you may not be admitted. But it is not for us to judge a school about their admission policies.

I am sure that Ole Miss has it reasons. It might be a way to cut down on the number of girls going through recruitment. I do believe that the last several years the pledge classes at Ole Miss have been larger than the chapter total on many campuses.

I wish all those going through recruitment in the fall the best of luck!

Did you even read the thread or even the first post?

First, it's not admission policies we are talking about -- it's rush requirements!

Second, lowering the gpa requirement would INCREASE the total number of girls. It just means more girls to pay the rush fee and more girls to end up bidless when they don't meet the glo's requirements as mentioned below. Exceptions had been made to accomodate those with a learning disability. But, learning disabilities aren't going to be an excuse in the real world. And, they shouldn't be an excuse for someone with a low gpa to get into rush. (And, don't bitch about how heartless I am... It's the truth.) Dropping the learning disability exceptions will decrease the number of girls going through rush.

Third, it really doesn't matter much. GLOs have their own new member gpa requirements. It's ultimately their decision. So, if a girl rushes with a 2.5, at least some groups will drop her 1st round just on grades alone.

You can hem and haw 'til the cows come home about the "overall package," but if a girl underperformed in high school academically, she should be focusing her efforts on her academic life. Sorority life is great. But, the goal of college is to prepare you for your career path. If you are struggling academically (I consider anything below a 3.0 in high school to be just that) you don't need to join. You need to keep your ass focused on what really matters.

Plus, let's not bullshit about the "overall package," ok? When someone says that we need to look at the overall package, it just means that the girl was underperforming in one of the areas of focus. She's ugly, but look at the overall package-- she has great grades and community involvement so overlook her third eye. She has shitty grades, but look at the overall picture - she's cute and would look so nice in the composite so overlook the fact that she doesn't care about her academic performance.

If you want to be in a sorority at Ole Miss, you'd better be pretty outstanding in every way-- period. Or, you should be the third generation legacy of a chapter. But, hell what do I know about it, right? I only went there. BTW, I think that gives me the right to discuss my feelings about their policies.

And, we are talking about Ole Miss. Girls who want to get into a sorority at Ole Miss know that they have to have the grades. They get one shot basically. Those that choose to piss away their high school days having fun or being lazy, etc. do not have a great "Overall Package."

[carnation]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

You can hem and haw 'til the cows come home about the "overall package," but if a girl underperformed in high school academically, she should be focusing her efforts on her academic life. Sorority life is great. But, the goal of college is to prepare you for your career path. If you are struggling academically (I consider anything below a 3.0 in high school to be just that) you don't need to join. You need to keep your ass focused on what really matters.

Plus, let's not bullshit about the "overall package," ok? When someone says that we need to look at the overall package, it just means that the girl was underperforming in one of the areas of focus. She's ugly, but look at the overall package-- she has great grades and community involvement so overlook her third eye. She has shitty grades, but look at the overall picture - she's cute and would look so nice in the composite so overlook the fact that she doesn't care about her academic performance.

If you want to be in a sorority at Ole Miss, you'd better be pretty outstanding in every way-- period. Or, you should be the third generation legacy of a chapter. But, hell what do I know about it, right? I only went there. BTW, I think that gives me the right to discuss my feelings about their policies.

And, we are talking about Ole Miss. Girls who want to get into a sorority at Ole Miss know that they have to have the grades. They get one shot basically. Those that choose to piss away their high school days having fun or being lazy, etc. do not have a great "Overall Package."

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[couggirl]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Those that choose to piss away their high school days having fun or being lazy, etc. do not have a great "Overall Package."

Just because someone has a low GPA or SAT scores does not mean that they are lazy or pissed away their high school days. I know this is off topic, but this kind of offends me. I worked really hard in High school and had a okay GPA (3.3 due to lots of Art classes which =graranteeded A at my school) and Low SAT scores, but the does not mean that i did not work hard. I had a problem and the doctors could not figure out what was wrong with me. In college my grades were some times good, but sometimes bad. I could not figure out why. My GPA was barley a 2.3 for most of my college education. It was not until after I graduated from college that someone figured out that I have a pre-diabetic condition. Now that I am being treated for that this condition School is soo much easier and what use to take me hours to do I can do in about 30 minutes.

So please don't assume that just because someones grades are lower that they are lazy. Obviously their are exceptions, but there are actually reasons that some people have a hard time in school and therefor low GPA.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by couggirl

Just because someone has a low GPA or SAT scores does not mean that they are lazy or pissed away their high school days. I know this is off topic, but this kind of offends me. I worked really hard in High school and had a okay GPA (3.3 due to lots of Art classes which =graranteeded A at my school) and Low SAT scores, but the does not mean that i did not work hard. I had a problem and the doctors could not figure out what was wrong with me. In college my grades were some times good, but sometimes bad. I could not figure out why. My GPA was barley a 2.3 for most of my college education. It was not until after I graduated from college that someone figured out that I have a pre-diabetic condition. Now that I am being treated for that this condition School is soo much easier and what use to take me hours to do I can do in about 30 minutes.

So please don't assume that just because someones grades are lower that they are lazy. Obviously their are exceptions, but there are actually reasons that some people have a hard time in school and therefor low GPA.

I agree...having bad grades doesn't mean you're lazy or dumb. But...it does mean that you will likely have difficulties achieving good grades in college where your grades actually may mean something down the line (and you admitted that you did have difficulties.) The main point espoused in this thread is that students with low GPAs (2.5 and below...might I add that even though you said you took guaranteed A classes, you had a 3.3 in HS much higher than the mentioned cutoff.) should concentrate on their grades not a social organization. One of the main goals of NPC orgs is to encourage academic excellence. We wouldn't be doing that if we accepted women who needed the extra time that they would be using to attend sorority functions in order to keep passing grades. Greek life really isn't for everyone.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Did you even read the thread or even the first post?

First, it's not admission policies we are talking about -- it's rush requirements!

Second, lowering the gpa requirement would INCREASE the total number of girls. It just means more girls to pay the rush fee and more girls to end up bidless when they don't meet the glo's requirements as mentioned below. Exceptions had been made to accomodate those with a learning disability. But, learning disabilities aren't going to be an excuse in the real world. And, they shouldn't be an excuse for someone with a low gpa to get into rush. (And, don't bitch about how heartless I am... It's the truth.) Dropping the learning disability exceptions will decrease the number of girls going through rush.

Third, it really doesn't matter much. GLOs have their own new member gpa requirements. It's ultimately their decision. So, if a girl rushes with a 2.5, at least some groups will drop her 1st round just on grades alone.

You can hem and haw 'til the cows come home about the "overall package," but if a girl underperformed in high school academically, she should be focusing her efforts on her academic life. Sorority life is great. But, the goal of college is to prepare you for your career path. If you are struggling academically (I consider anything below a 3.0 in high school to be just that) you don't need to join. You need to keep your ass focused on what really matters.

Plus, let's not bullshit about the "overall package," ok? When someone says that we need to look at the overall package, it just means that the girl was underperforming in one of the areas of focus. She's ugly, but look at the overall package-- she has great grades and community involvement so overlook her third eye. She has shitty grades, but look at the overall picture - she's cute and would look so nice in the composite so overlook the fact that she doesn't care about her academic performance.

If you want to be in a sorority at Ole Miss, you'd better be pretty outstanding in every way-- period. Or, you should be the third generation legacy of a chapter. But, hell what do I know about it, right? I only went there. BTW, I think that gives me the right to discuss my feelings about their policies.

And, we are talking about Ole Miss. Girls who want to get into a sorority at Ole Miss know that they have to have the grades. They get one shot basically. Those that choose to piss away their high school days having fun or being lazy, etc. do not have a great "Overall Package."

I've missed you.

Originally Posted by 33girl

It would be a lot easier if everyone had deferred rush and what your HS grades had been would be a moot point since everyone would have a college GPA, from that college. But I know I'm shouting into the wind on that one.

Right there with you, 33.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by couggirl

Just because someone has a low GPA or SAT scores does not mean that they are lazy or pissed away their high school days. I know this is off topic, but this kind of offends me. I worked really hard in High school and had a okay GPA (3.3 due to lots of Art classes which =graranteeded A at my school) and Low SAT scores, but the does not mean that i did not work hard. I had a problem and the doctors could not figure out what was wrong with me. In college my grades were some times good, but sometimes bad. I could not figure out why. My GPA was barley a 2.3 for most of my college education. It was not until after I graduated from college that someone figured out that I have a pre-diabetic condition. Now that I am being treated for that this condition School is soo much easier and what use to take me hours to do I can do in about 30 minutes.

So please don't assume that just because someones grades are lower that they are lazy. Obviously their are exceptions, but there are actually reasons that some people have a hard time in school and therefor low GPA.

Go cry and bitch to someone who cares. I don't give two shits about people's medical problems. In the real world, you either make it or you don't. No one cares what problems you are having. College is a dress rehearsal for working life. And, somehow, people have to take personal responsibility if they did not do well academically, whatever the reason.

I was referring to the poster I QUOTED. Her daughter did well on exams, but didn't follow that with the grades to back up her intelligence.

By the way, it's Ole Miss... Not Old Miss. Get it right.