California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Ok, now my cheese is basically charcoal. Was just watching the news, and it was announced that in California, the gay marriage issue will be BACK on the ballot in November. I hope not too many states follow this lead. Not because I do not think the people should have a voice, but this will DIRECTLY effect the election AGAIN, and it is just bad news for Barack. I think he still has a good chance at winning California, BUT I hope not too many states follow with putting such an issue, because it IS the reason Bush won Ohio in 2004, and def. a way for McCain to win it again...

I need new cheese.

Hm...voters exercising their right to vote affecting an election, now we just can't have that can we?

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by nate2512

Hm...voters exercising their right to vote affecting an election, now we just can't have that can we?

You should probably read a little closer before you criticize. I love the right to vote. However, the gay marriage ban was put on the ballot in several states in 2004 to help Bush win the election. My fear is that the PURPOSE of many states adding it again in 2008 is NOT to get an opinion on gay marriage, but to make sure that the voters with traditional conservative beliefs come and vote for the PRESIDENTIAL election.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

You should probably read a little closer before you criticize. I love the right to vote. However, the gay marriage ban was put on the ballot in several states in 2004 to help Bush win the election. My fear is that the PURPOSE of many states adding it again in 2008 is NOT to get an opinion on gay marriage, but to make sure that the voters with traditional conservative beliefs come and vote for the PRESIDENTIAL election.

Ok, so the liberals go vote FOR gay marriage, and vote for Obama. If you can't get a majority vote, don't bitch and blame a gay marriage bill on the defeat. I can't help it that certain states have to keep re-hashing this over and over again, because they just can't seem to respect the people's majority opinion, it's obvious that the gays are pushing for this to be on the ballots otherwise the states aren't going to do it for the hell of it. Why don't you go file a lawsuit and say the states are "helping" McCain win, see how that goes?

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by nate2512

Ok, so the liberals go vote FOR gay marriage, and vote for Obama. If you can't get a majority vote, don't bitch and blame a gay marriage bill on the defeat. I can't help it that certain states have to keep re-hashing this over and over again, because they just can't seem to respect the people's majority opinion, it's obvious that the gays are pushing for this to be on the ballots otherwise the states aren't going to do it for the hell of it. Why don't you go file a lawsuit and say the states are "helping" McCain win, see how that goes?

LOL, yes, every thing is black and white, right? I think I made a mistake it my last post. I said "conservatives." I meant conservative on this view. It WAS admitted by multiple Republicans and a lot of Bush's campaign members that the gay marriage ban on the ballot in 2004 was going to help him win. Most of the political analyst, if you go back and read the political blogs at the time say so too. ANNNDD, the voting polls show that more people came out to vote mainly because of the ban, not the President.

I am MORE than aware that the majority of Americans are against gay marriage: Republicans and a large portion of Democrats. Kerry was from Massachusetts and had a strong stance in gay marriage. To say putting the ban on the ticket did not have a toll is a ignorant thing to say. Go look at ANY post-analysis of that election. I just want us to vote on the candidates... not a single issue, when we vote for president. Is that too much to ask?

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by nate2512

Ok, so the liberals go vote FOR gay marriage, and vote for Obama.

I know you didn't say this outright, but it merits saying: Not all Democrats are liberals and vice versa.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I know you didn't say this outright, but it merits saying: Not all Democrats are liberals and vice versa.

I wasn't even implying that, the majority of people who support gay marriage are going to be liberal, and the majority of liberals will vote Obama. So therefore the majority of liberals who vote for gay marriage will in turn vote for Obama.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by nate2512

I wasn't even implying that, the majority of people who support gay marriage are going to be liberal, and the majority of liberals will vote Obama. So therefore the majority of liberals who vote for gay marriage will in turn vote for Obama.

YES, you did not SAY that, but you made is safely to assume, that within YOUR eyes people are either liberal or conservative... ignoring moderate, which I will go on a limb and assume MOST people are, even when they label themselves liberal or conservative

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

YES, you did not SAY that, but you made is safely to assume, that within YOUR eyes people are either liberal or conservative... ignoring moderate, which I will go on a limb and assume MOST people are, even when they label themselves liberal or conservative

Well people have differing view on what concepts and views are liberal/conservative so to argue about that would be a waste.