Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Whoa, SEC! Yes, I'm a liberal but please don't make associations that imply my agreement.

For what it's worth, I entirely disagree with preciousjeni on the subject of Jeremiah Wright. I find his words both hateful and offensive. I don't know how much of those beliefs are shared by Barack and Michelle Obama...my guess would be that it's more than they would like us to believe.

HOWEVER, if you really think about it, for the last 200 years whites in America haven't had any problem with having racist white presidents. I'm actually finding the righteous indignation of white conservatives sadly amusing and ironic. What I'm curious about is what exactly would The Obama's racist beliefs (if they had them) mean in concrete political terms?

If some mysterious tape of Michelle Obama does happen appear it will change some minds, but not all. If Obama is the Democratic candidate I will still vote for him. I'm far more concerned with other matters.

First, I think grouping all white conservatives in together is pretty absurd.

Obama's racism (if it exists, I don't personally feel strongly about it) doesn't bother me because I think he's going to punish white people. It actually isn't a matter of race, as much as it is a matter of class. For a party that constantly preaches against divisiveness, they're doing an excellent job of trying to rally the country against the wealthy. For example, accusing the oil industry of being at fault for gas woes.

Rather, as I just indicated, I'm concerned about the class struggle Barack seems intent on facilitating. This is a very common theme among the socialist-leaning far left, and that is what concerns me.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Rather, as I just indicated, I'm concerned about the class struggle Barack seems intent on facilitating. This is a very common theme among the socialist-leaning far left, and that is what concerns me.

Please explain further this "class struggle," because I don't see it. It seems more like his opponents are painting him as an elitist.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Please explain further this "class struggle," because I don't see it. It seems more like his opponents are painting him as an elitist.

They are. And he is (my opinion, of course).

But yes, a class struggle. Pitting the lower and middle classes against the upper class and corporations. You'll see it in energy sentiments. You'll certainly see it in tax policy statements. This is very common among academics and other far-left individuals who want to see systemic economic shifts.

Now, if I thought Barack was simply using a political tactic to win an election, I probably wouldn't be overly concerned. Pitting one group against another is part of the game. However, I think this will extend deep into his potential presidency, because as I've stated many times on here, I think Obama is a true ideologue. I firmly believe he envisions a much more interventionist government, and this is his way of getting it.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

They are. And he is (my opinion, of course).

But yes, a class struggle. Pitting the lower and middle classes against the upper class and corporations. You'll see it in energy sentiments. You'll certainly see it in tax policy statements. This is very common among academics and other far-left individuals who want to see systemic economic shifts.

Now, if I thought Barack was simply using a political tactic to win an election, I probably wouldn't be overly concerned. Pitting one group against another is part of the game. However, I think this will extend deep into his potential presidency, because as I've stated many times on here, I think Obama is a true ideologue. I firmly believe he envisions a much more interventionist government, and this is his way of getting it.

No, I absolutely agree that he is. But, I've never thought that elitism was such a bad thing...

I do see what you're getting at. But, poor people have always pitted themselves against the rich (hell, even the upper-middle classes)--and they've never needed politicians to do it for them.

I agree that he is doing it, but I think he's doing this as a political tactic, and he'll show his true colors as someone who benefits from his connections with corporations and the super-rich.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I agree that he is doing it, but I think he's doing this as a political tactic, and he'll show his true colors as someone who benefits from his connections with corporations and the super-rich.

Fair enough, I think it is simply him showing his true colors of being someone who loathes modern capitalism and favors massive government intervention. Of course, I don't think he'll say this is in the general, so we'll have to say it for him.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Fair enough, I think it is simply him showing his true colors of being someone who loathes modern capitalism and favors massive government intervention. Of course, I don't think he'll say this is in the general, so we'll have to see it for him.

You think he even has that much substance? I think he may kind of identify that way because of his background, but what I keep coming back to is the sense that he doesn't really actually believe much of anything or anything that he could be 100% certain that he'd act on. He seems just kind of assembled of platitudes.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You think he even has that much substance? I think he may kind of identify that way because of his background, but what I keep coming back to is the sense that he doesn't really actually believe much of anything or anything that he could be 100% certain that he'd act on. He seems just kind of assembled of platitudes.

I'm one conservative who thinks the inexperience and lack-of-substance cards are the wrong ones to play. I don't think he's dangerous because he's green, I think he's dangerous because his agenda is too fringe to put on display at this point.