Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05...rom-the-train/


IF the republicans really have this tape then they need to release it late enough so that the democrats can't give someone else the nomination.

I actually hope this never gets used as an issue- not only because it is improper but because it will backfire. Republicans got nowhere going after Hillary Clinton and Democrats got nowhere going after Marilyn Quayle (also on the race issue with her DAR associations.)

A few days ago, John McCain gave an incredible speech on foreign policy where he talked in greater depth and detail than I have EVER heard from Bush. Agree with him or not, it was an amazing presentation addressing specific treaties and NATO agreements.

A couple of weeks ago, Obama gave a speech on foreign policy in which he said we should not be worried about Iran because it is a tiny country. I guess he forgot the part where a small organization of terrorists killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11-01. Obama's comments about Iran reflect a complete and utter disregard for the realities of how terrorism works, or the fact that has arisen as the one way very small entities can effectively attack large nations.

Obama is unelectable on the issues, pure and simple. If he is the nominee, he will not only lose but I expect he will lose big. This does not mean he is an idiot, but that when you peel back the "hope and change" veneer- you are left with someone who is a very far left liberal in a country hungry for moderates- as Bill Clinton was and as Bush promised to be when he campaigned in 2000.

At the end of the day, going after Michelle is just a very ungentlemanly thing to do regardless of what one thinks will happen in November. It is surely hard enough on Presidential candidate spouses and children as it is without putting them in the line of political fire. I was really pissed when a popular lifestyle magazine targeted a Bush daughter when she was caught drinking underage in a restaurant here in Austin, and I would be just as pissed if Michelle Obama got the same expose treatment for something she might have said.

But in this particular case I think we have the added reassurance that Obama has already done enough damage to himself on substantive issues to ensure his defeat. The media is not reporting this stuff right now- the speeches I reference above were slight mentions on Fox News and I did not see them elsewhere- but when we get into the final debates and the whole Obama vs. Hillary ordeal is over, it will all be out there for all to see.

[Rudey]

McCain is still alive and giving speeches? Who knew?

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

At the end of the day, going after Michelle is just a very ungentlemanly thing to do regardless of what one thinks will happen in November. It is surely hard enough on Presidential candidate spouses and children as it is without putting them in the line of political fire. I was really pissed when a popular lifestyle magazine targeted a Bush daughter when she was caught drinking underage in a restaurant here in Austin, and I would be just as pissed if Michelle Obama got the same expose treatment for something she might have said.

Agreed!

[shinerbock]

Putting Michelle Obama off limits is like girls who try to start fights with guys.

You can't hold yourself out as someone with clout sufficient to influence voters and then hide behind your husband. I don't want people to make fun of her personal appearance, or go after her child-raising abilities, or anything of that sort. But if she's got extreme views and was dumb enough to state them for a camera, I certainly think that is relevant. If Cindy McCain turned out to be a white supremacist, I certainly wouldn't want her to represent this country as First Lady.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Putting Michelle Obama off limits is like girls who try to start fights with guys.

You can't hold yourself out as someone with clout sufficient to influence voters and then hide behind your husband. I don't want people to make fun of her personal appearance, or go after her child-raising abilities, or anything of that sort. But if she's got extreme views and was dumb enough to state them for a camera, I certainly think that is relevant. If Cindy McCain turned out to be a white supremacist, I certainly wouldn't want her to represent this country as First Lady.

OMG.

I agree with shinerbock

[33girl]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Putting Michelle Obama off limits is like girls who try to start fights with guys.

You can't hold yourself out as someone with clout sufficient to influence voters and then hide behind your husband. I don't want people to make fun of her personal appearance, or go after her child-raising abilities, or anything of that sort. But if she's got extreme views and was dumb enough to state them for a camera, I certainly think that is relevant. If Cindy McCain turned out to be a white supremacist, I certainly wouldn't want her to represent this country as First Lady.

The biggest reason I will never vote for Al Gore, even if many of the people she affected directly are stupid enough to get on his side.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Putting Michelle Obama off limits is like girls who try to start fights with guys.

You can't hold yourself out as someone with clout sufficient to influence voters and then hide behind your husband. I don't want people to make fun of her personal appearance, or go after her child-raising abilities, or anything of that sort. But if she's got extreme views and was dumb enough to state them for a camera, I certainly think that is relevant. If Cindy McCain turned out to be a white supremacist, I certainly wouldn't want her to represent this country as First Lady.

I agree with you depending on how this ever gets out and publicized- if it does. If this gets into the general media via some reporter or pundit putting it out there, that is one thing.

But for anyone in the Republican power structure to push this out there as PhiGam was suggesting is a very dangerous and inappropriate strategy in my view- and it has backfired in the past as my earlier post indicated.

Surely this is frustrating since Obama is definitely getting the kid glove treatment from the media, but that would still make it dangerous for Republican interest groups to be seen getting this story out.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I agree with you depending on how this ever gets out and publicized- if it does. If this gets into the general media via some reporter or pundit putting it out there, that is one thing.

But for anyone in the Republican power structure to push this out there as PhiGam was suggesting is a very dangerous and inappropriate strategy in my view- and it has backfired in the past as my earlier post indicated.

Surely this is frustrating since Obama is definitely getting the kid glove treatment from the media, but that would still make it dangerous for Republican interest groups to be seen getting this story out.

Yeah, I'm not particularly worried about the backfire. If it happens, it happens. I don't want to go too negative, but there is a significant portion of the public that is wary of Obama and the GOP should certainly explore that hesitation.

If the tape is out there, it'll be distributed without overt party involvement. As one blogger on this story wrote-- the GOP may have been ineffective on the economy and the war lately, they're "hell on wheels" with opposition research. Of all the things that worry me about November, the art of politics in not something the GOP is insufficient in.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Yeah, I'm not particularly worried about the backfire. If it happens, it happens. I don't want to go too negative, but there is a significant portion of the public that is wary of Obama and the GOP should certainly explore that hesitation.

If the tape is out there, it'll be distributed without overt party involvement. As one blogger on this story wrote-- the GOP may have been ineffective on the economy and the war lately, they're "hell on wheels" with opposition research. Of all the things that worry me about November, the art of politics in not something the GOP is insufficient in.

For the country, for the people (ie US) which is more important?:
Economy, the war, or all the other issues which have an impact on us
OR
"Opposition research"

Having been, for just a week, in a battle ground state last time around I am not looking forward to what I believe is going to be what maybe the dirtiest battle anyone has ever seen.

I should add that I know people in the camps.
All have told me that they have "books" on/about everyone else.
The problem I have is only some have said that they will be using them to stay on policy matters and to defend themselves and show differences.
Others just say that they have books.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I should add that I know people in the camps.

Your ability to point this out in every thread is quite tiring.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jon1856

For the country, for the people (ie US) which is more important?:
Economy, the war, or all the other issues which have an impact on us
OR
"Opposition research"

Having been, for just a week, in a battle ground state last time around I am not looking forward to what I believe is going to be what maybe the dirtiest battle anyone has ever seen.

I should add that I know people in the camps.
All have told me that they have "books" on/about everyone else.
The problem I have is only some have said that they will be using them to stay on policy matters and to defend themselves and show differences.
Others just say that they have books.

To me and many like me, keeping Barack Obama out of office may be THE issue for this election cycle. Exposing the truth about his family's political and social ideology is a tool which may allow that to happen.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

But if she's got extreme views and was dumb enough to state them for a camera, I certainly think that is relevant. If Cindy McCain turned out to be a white supremacist, I certainly wouldn't want her to represent this country as First Lady.

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Please come out of the closet with your rhetoric cape and state what you really feel... Stop it with the bullisht. Fearmongerer...

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You think Cindy McCain is the EPITOME of a WOMAN... You think differently about Michelle Obama. Since you are incapably of putting her on a pedestal, like you can with Cindy, are you telling the GC public to solely select their next president contingent on a "bikini mud wrestling death match"?

Please come out of the closet with your rhetoric cape and state what you really feel... Stop it with the bullisht. Fearmongerer...

Are you high?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Are you high?

Are you an idiot?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Are you an idiot?

I'm not the one who just authored an incoherent post based entirely in fantasy, so no.