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05-29-2008, 02:32 PM
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Just remember this sound logic when you celebrate something Obama has done that has absolutely nothing to do with politics, his platform, and what he will or will not do if in office.  |
Agreed - going on that logic, Obama's law school and academic credentials should be similarly discounted.
As to past presidents being POWs; the only one I can think of who comes close is Washington, who I believe was captured during the French and Indian War. Otherwise, I don't think another President was a prisoner during wartime.
Last edited by KSigkid; 05-29-2008 at 02:33 PM.
Reason: Inability to spell correctly...
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05-29-2008, 02:32 PM
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John McCain isn't POTUS yet so let's not jump the gun...
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NO SHIT?  You're the one who said "damn near every PRESIDENT that has served has one."
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Enough presidents however have seen combat.
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Okay...is this your way of saying that McCain's military experience is unique as far as most presidential candidates and POTUS are concerned?
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05-29-2008, 02:37 PM
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Agreed - going on that logic, Obama's law school and academic credentials should be similarly discounted.
As to past presidents being POWs; the only one I can think of who comes close is Washington, who I believe was captured during the French and Indian War. Otherwise, I don't think another President was a prisoner during wartime.
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Exactly--as far as I'm concerned every political and nonpolitical feat from every candidate should be received equally. Because, as far as I'm concerned, every candidate has equal potential to be a great POTUS or a sucky POTUS. If McCain saying "g**k" can turn some voters off then McCain getting his ass whooped in war can turn some voters on.
Thanks for the info on Washington.
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05-29-2008, 03:03 PM
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NO SHIT? You're the one who said "damn near every PRESIDENT that has served has one."
Okay...is this your way of saying that McCain's military experience is unique as far as most presidential candidates and POTUS are concerned? |
"....has one."
Military Record ...not POW.
As for McCain....
Yes and no...
Unique in that (should he become POTUS) he would be the only pres that served in Vietnam that was a POW
And no because of what I stated earlier.
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05-29-2008, 03:05 PM
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General Sherman: "
On June 19, 1879, Sherman delivered his famous "War Is Hell" speech to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy and to the gathered crowd of more than 10,000: "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." [76]"
And BTB, LBJ used another Sherman statement when he declared that he would not run for re-election. |
General Sherman may I introduce you to nate2512 
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According to Jon it apparently is. Since war is hell we should just not go to war anymore.
Also, when Congress voted on the torture bill, who was a very big advocate against it because he had been in the situation, and drawing on his own experiences in the military voted against it. So yes, it does play a vital part in how he feels about some of military, war, and veteran policies and those are things that should not be overlooked. The military part is not all war.
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This thread is going in so many directions, that it is getting hard to follow any one thread of it. And yes, Nate and I are partially responsible for some of that.
I understand many posters have said that Military Service, while important, many not be the absolute benchmark.
I am ok with that POV/HO.
I still do not understand just at what level it can make a difference.
If one spends 4 years on a DD as a seaman, what special imprint/knowledge does that provide to that one person?
If one spends a few years in ANG, and stays at home and sees no combat, what special imprint/knowledge does that provide?
A leader learns and builds their skills in many ways.
Think of a platoon leaders as business manager.
And yes, I do understand the military a little bit.
I have family and friends who served. And I spent a great deal of time on Monday with several active duty and veterans. And I thanked each and everyone of them.
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05-29-2008, 03:10 PM
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Unique in that (should he become POTUS) he would be the only pres that served in Vietnam that was a POW
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As opposed to "unique" because he'll be the only POTUS who became a Vietnamese opera singer soon after capture? 
ETA: I know that you said that a lot of POTUS have military service. I'm saying that McCain's service is still unique and that's one of the things that sets him apart.
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05-29-2008, 03:12 PM
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As opposed to "unique" because he'll be the only POTUS who became a Vietnamese opera singer soon after capture? |
nah...I think Kerry was somewhere up for that one too...but he didn't win.
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05-29-2008, 03:13 PM
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nah...I think Kerry was somewhere up for that one too...but he didn't win.
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Okay...so as this thread draws to an end...I just wanted you to know that you're still full of isht.
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05-29-2008, 03:18 PM
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Okay...so as this thread draws to an end...I just wanted you to know that you're still full of isht. |
same to you m'dear...same to you....you still have a warm spot in my heart...
no...
...that's just gas...
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05-29-2008, 03:42 PM
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same to you m'dear...same to you....you still have a warm spot in my heart...
no...
...that's just gas...
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Heart gas = poor diet
Eat better + exercise = live longer
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05-29-2008, 03:50 PM
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Jon, I've still yet to see any evidence of the Sherman quote that relates to anything I've said.
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05-29-2008, 04:22 PM
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Heart gas = poor diet
Eat better + exercise = live longer
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ok...fine...cook for me.
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05-29-2008, 04:26 PM
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ok...fine...cook for me.
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You aren't privileged enough for the privilege.
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05-29-2008, 07:03 PM
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You aren't privileged enough for the privilege. |
I'll rub the bunions on your feet
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05-29-2008, 07:04 PM
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I'll rub the bunions on your feet
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I don't have those.
But if I did, someone else is privileged enough for that privilege.
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