Fifty things you didn't know about John McCain

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

damn near every president that has served has one....

I don't know the answer to this question:

How many presidents were POWs or whatever?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Don't sell me on what he has done FOR our country in the military, that's what he got signed up for .....sell me on what he has done TO the country in the government...that is what OTHER PEOPLE voted for him to do!

Just remember this sound logic when you celebrate something Obama has done that has absolutely nothing to do with politics, his platform, and what he will or will not do if in office.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I don't know the answer to this question:

How many presidents were POWs or whatever?

John McCain isn't POTUS yet so let's not jump the gun...

Enough presidents however have seen combat.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

John McCain isn't POTUS yet so let's not jump the gun...

NO SHIT? You're the one who said "damn near every PRESIDENT that has served has one."

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Enough presidents however have seen combat.

Okay...is this your way of saying that McCain's military experience is unique as far as most presidential candidates and POTUS are concerned?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

NO SHIT? You're the one who said "damn near every PRESIDENT that has served has one."



Okay...is this your way of saying that McCain's military experience is unique as far as most presidential candidates and POTUS are concerned?

"....has one."

Military Record ...not POW.

As for McCain....

Yes and no...

Unique in that (should he become POTUS) he would be the only pres that served in Vietnam that was a POW

And no because of what I stated earlier.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Unique in that (should he become POTUS) he would be the only pres that served in Vietnam that was a POW

As opposed to "unique" because he'll be the only POTUS who became a Vietnamese opera singer soon after capture?

ETA: I know that you said that a lot of POTUS have military service. I'm saying that McCain's service is still unique and that's one of the things that sets him apart.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

As opposed to "unique" because he'll be the only POTUS who became a Vietnamese opera singer soon after capture?

nah...I think Kerry was somewhere up for that one too...but he didn't win.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

nah...I think Kerry was somewhere up for that one too...but he didn't win.

Okay...so as this thread draws to an end...I just wanted you to know that you're still full of isht.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Just remember this sound logic when you celebrate something Obama has done that has absolutely nothing to do with politics, his platform, and what he will or will not do if in office.

Agreed - going on that logic, Obama's law school and academic credentials should be similarly discounted.

As to past presidents being POWs; the only one I can think of who comes close is Washington, who I believe was captured during the French and Indian War. Otherwise, I don't think another President was a prisoner during wartime.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Agreed - going on that logic, Obama's law school and academic credentials should be similarly discounted.

As to past presidents being POWs; the only one I can think of who comes close is Washington, who I believe was captured during the French and Indian War. Otherwise, I don't think another President was a prisoner during wartime.

Exactly--as far as I'm concerned every political and nonpolitical feat from every candidate should be received equally. Because, as far as I'm concerned, every candidate has equal potential to be a great POTUS or a sucky POTUS. If McCain saying "g**k" can turn some voters off then McCain getting his ass whooped in war can turn some voters on.

Thanks for the info on Washington.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by jon1856

General Sherman: "
On June 19, 1879, Sherman delivered his famous "War Is Hell" speech to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy and to the gathered crowd of more than 10,000: "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."[76]"
And BTB, LBJ used another Sherman statement when he declared that he would not run for re-election.

General Sherman may I introduce you to nate2512

Originally Posted by nate2512

According to Jon it apparently is. Since war is hell we should just not go to war anymore.

Also, when Congress voted on the torture bill, who was a very big advocate against it because he had been in the situation, and drawing on his own experiences in the military voted against it. So yes, it does play a vital part in how he feels about some of military, war, and veteran policies and those are things that should not be overlooked. The military part is not all war.

This thread is going in so many directions, that it is getting hard to follow any one thread of it. And yes, Nate and I are partially responsible for some of that.

I understand many posters have said that Military Service, while important, many not be the absolute benchmark.

I am ok with that POV/HO.

I still do not understand just at what level it can make a difference.
If one spends 4 years on a DD as a seaman, what special imprint/knowledge does that provide to that one person?
If one spends a few years in ANG, and stays at home and sees no combat, what special imprint/knowledge does that provide?

A leader learns and builds their skills in many ways.
Think of a platoon leaders as business manager.

And yes, I do understand the military a little bit.
I have family and friends who served. And I spent a great deal of time on Monday with several active duty and veterans. And I thanked each and everyone of them.