Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There go those African traditions!

Cleland???

[AKA_Monet]

Sneaking into the Movies... Pre bootleg...

I'm working on getting the Hoe Cakes!!!

[CULater]

can we ask why NPC/IFC or Asian-Interest orgs are starting to "adopt" some of the NPHC traditions (specifically stepping). Sometimes, I run across them on youtube, and it was painful to watch.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by CULater

can we ask why NPC/IFC or Asian-Interest orgs are starting to "adopt" some of the NPHC traditions (specifically stepping). Sometimes, I run across them on youtube, and it was painful to watch.

Same reason a lot of latin/multicultural orgs do it- because they think it's cool.

But unlike LGLOs and MCGLOs, IF and when an IFC/NPC group does it, they usually just do it for a show or something and they don't try to take it and pass it off as their own.

Not that I condone either case. I think stepping should stay in the NPHC.

[Little32]

Soror Monet and Chaos, you two are a mess. lol.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I've lived there for over a half a year.

I have good black German friends.

They are completely different than Black Americans in nearly every aspect except for how they dress.

There is no "pan-African" similarities. To believe otherwise is simply retarded. Yes, there are commonalities. Because they're humans and humans, believe it or not, have a lot in common with other humans. The fact that black Americans pretend like they have any connection to Africa is absolutely absurd.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Prove it.

At this point you'll generally sulk off and call me an idiot with no way to back it up. For you to believe that black Americans with absolutely no connection to Africa (...how long's it been...7 generations?) has commonalities in terms of personality or otherwise (besides being human) you would have to believe in nature over nurture. That you are born with innate tendencies that span cultural lines. If you believe that, then you're laughable to begin with. I have absolutely no connections with my German/English/French/Dutch relatives and many of my ancestors came to this country long after yours likely did.


Your ability to manipulate what I said is mindboggling. It's a selective observation which provides an example to a much grander observation.


*smack*

To begin with, many if not most "African"-Americans have no idea what country they came from. Even further, it wouldn't matter because the country was not important because it only reflected colonial boundaries and not tribal boundaries. Tribal boundaries are a far more important way of discovering your ancestors histories because it would lead you to what sort of foods they ate and the religions they practiced. Furthermore, Italian-Americans who are proud of their heritage tend to be recent immigrants (early 1900's), just a few generations removed from their homeland. Whereas "African"-Americans are what...seven generations removed? More? My Grandma regularly spoke German in the house. Of what connection do I have to Germany? I've never lived there. My German is terrible.

Well which is it?

[Little32]

^^Good close-reading. This one changes his story to suit his needs. Unfortunately for him, it doesn't really work that well. All that lying for nothing.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Well which is it?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. EW and his silly antics.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by CULater

can we ask why NPC/IFC or Asian-Interest orgs are starting to "adopt" some of the NPHC traditions (specifically stepping). Sometimes, I run across them on youtube, and it was painful to watch.

when you say "we", do you mean "we", as "hispanic organizations who adopt NPHC traditions?"

[MsDGP007]

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by MsDGP007

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

We are NOT secret societies. If we were, we damn sure wouldn't be serving the community. Many organizations have secrets or confidential information but that does not make them secret societies. I didn't even read the rest of your post because you started off wrong.

[MsDGP007]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

We are NOT secret societies. If we were, we damn sure wouldn't be serving the community. Many organizations have secrets or confidential information but that does not make them secret societies. I didn't even read the rest of your post because you started off wrong.

Oh are you serious? Ok then, I will correct myself and say "organizations with secrets" (although that sounds campy...but it's more accurate...if it matters so much). Delta Upsilon, founded in 1836 was the first "non-secret" fraternity and you may want to check out their website http://www.deltau.org/ to see just how they define that. I mean, if they pride themselves on being the "first" of something (and they predate my org by 150 years...) I will gladly accept their definition of what a "secret society" is. I do not think it's the definition you are putting out there (like Skull & Bones or something that is "underground"...I dunno). But it's not that serious...I can rescind the remark.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MsDGP007

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them).

This varies WIDELY from school to school and chapter to chapter.

There might be official handsigns in some of the NPC groups, but how they are used currently may not be in line with why they were created.

[SWTXBelle]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but NPHC handsigns are for public usage, while most (many?) NPC recognition signs are only for private use between members. The more recent NPC "handsigns" aren't official, are they? I'm thinking of ADII diamonds, Tri Delt Deltas, etc.

[MsDGP007]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This varies WIDELY from school to school and chapter to chapter.

There might be official handsigns in some of the NPC groups, but how they are used currently may not be in line with why they were created.

The point I was trying to make was not to equate anything the IFC/NPC orgs do to NPHC traditions; just to point out that they do not have "a monopoly" on these traditions between pre-LGLO/MCGLO life. I have not attended every college in the country; so I can only attest to what I have seen myself. In no way am I implying that all of XYZ fraternity/sorority does anything. Just that it is not unheard of.

Again, I am not concerned with rather so-and-so's handsign has a secret meaning or if it's official or anything of the sort. But when you have non-NPHC groups proudly showing their handsigns on threads like these, then there is no real reason to think that handsigns are simply a trivial and haphazard action just because they do not hold the same meanings that the NPHC handsigns do.