California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Why do gays (and all their supporters) feel the need to change the definition of marriage?

I'm with you. I don't get it either. I never understood why gay people decided to turn their private lives into a political agenda.

Not to be a complete prick, but I don't know any gay people and I prefer not to engage them in morality debates. Could someone please explain the need for this? I honestly thought that civil unions accomplished the same thing.

I do know gay people, but I do try to avoid the morality debate with them. I have decided that I will not try to convince them of my view point as I will not be convinved by theirs. I just stick to weather and general chit chat.

I won't disappoint though. In fact, I'm not sure how much I can participate in this thread for the sheer amount of nausea it's already causing me.
So where are the rest of you anti gay marriage folk?

I'm here.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I'm with you. I don't get it either. I never understood why gay people decided to turn their private lives into a political agenda.

How did gay people turn their private lives into a political agenda?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

How did gay people turn their private lives into a political agenda?

It seems to me that the only real difference between a gay person and a straight person is who they decide to "sleep" with.

Case in point ---

A good friend and I were in grad school at the same time. She is gay (lesbian) and I'm straight. We're both Black females of the same age. We both have similar backgrounds in terms of family. She is Catholic, I'm protestant - basically both of us are of Christian religions. She had struggles in grad school, so did I.

The only major difference is that she went out with girls, I went out with guys. Our similarities ended at the bedroom door, if you will.

I think that what ever you do in your private life is your business. Some people are into S&M, threesomes and bondage - I don't see any of those people at the court house demanding equal rights.

No one is going to know what you do in the privacy of your home unless you put it out there. No pun intended.

Oh, another thing about my friend. She is from the Chicago area and I'm from Texas - maybe that is another significant difference.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

It seems to me that the only real difference between a gay person and a straight person is who they decide to "sleep" with.

Oooook.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I think that what ever you do in your private life is your business. Some people are into S&M, threesomes and bondage - I don't see any of those people at the court house demanding equal rights.

When discussing sexual behaviors, it is important to remember that there are many private things that are considered deviant and/or criminal. Private business has never just been private business. That applies to heterosexual activities and to many behaviors that were considered homosexual.

But let's pretend that private business is private business. The average homosexual would agree with you and isn't into overt or flamboyant sexuality, anyway. They just want to be able to live their lives with the same rights and responsibilities and mind their own business. So why is it okay for heterosexuals' private business to be public (marriage, in this instance) but not for homosexuals' private business (marriage, in this instance).

If you think gay marriage is wrong, that's your business to think that. I used to think that and think that less and less as the years go on. But personal opinions that are majority opinions often translate into policies and laws---and people struggle to find reasons to justify their belief that something should remain illegal.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Oooook.

Umm, I guess you missed the part where I told Leslie Anne that that was a joke, albeit a bad one.

When discussing sexual behaviors, it is important to remember that there are many private things that are considered deviant and/or criminal. Private business has never just been private business. That applies to heterosexual activities and to many behaviors that were considered homosexual.

I do realize that. I was not going to muddy the waters of this conversation with all of the variants on sexual behaviors. Just trying to keep it simple.

So why is it okay for heterosexuals' private business to be public (marriage, in this instance) but not for homosexuals' private business (marriage, in this instance).

You answered this in your response below - the majority opinion is that the private business of a heterosexual couple can be "public". Afterall, many did not and some do not consider a marriage to be complete until it has been consumated. Preferably with proof.

If you think gay marriage is wrong, that's your business to think that. I used to think that and think that less and less as the years go on. But personal opinions that are majority opinions often translate into policies and laws---and people struggle to find reasons to justify their belief that something should remain illegal.

Or legal too.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I do realize that. I was not going to muddy the waters of this conversation with all of the variants on sexual behaviors. Just trying to keep it simple.

You can keep it simple and convey an understanding of these things, though.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

You answered this in your response below - the majority opinion is that the private business of a heterosexual couple can be "public".

So why do we pesky heteros keep our private business public? Why can't we just go away? I don't want to know what we're doing in private.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So why do we pesky heteros keep our private business public? Why can't we just go away? I don't want to know what we're doing in private.

But then how will you know if you are "doing it" "right"?