Sean Bell's Killers (NYC Cops) Walk

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Interesting read from The New York Times.
One should read all of it IMVHO.
11 Years of Police Gunfire, in Painstaking Detail
New York City police officers fire their weapons far less often than they did a decade ago, a statistic that has dropped along with the crime rate. But when they do fire, even at an armed suspect, there is often no one returning fire at the officers. Officers hit their targets roughly 34 percent of the time. ......
......The police fatally shot 13 people in 2006, compared with 30 people a decade before.
¶In 77 percent of all shootings since 1998 when civilians were the targets, police officers were not fired upon, although in some of those cases, the suspects were acting violently: displaying a gun or pointing it at officers, firing at civilians, stabbing or beating someone or hitting officers with autos, the police said. No one fired at officers in two notable cases — the 1999 shooting of Amadou Diallo and the 2006 shooting of Sean Bell.
¶In such shootings, the total number of shots fired in each situation edged up to 4.7 in 2006. However, the figure is skewed by the 50 shots fired in the Bell case. Excluding that case, the average would be 3.6 shots.
¶The average number of bullets fired by each officer involved in a shooting remained about the same over those 11 years even with a switch to guns that hold more bullets — as did officers’ accuracy, roughly 34 percent. This figure is known in police parlance as the “hit ratio.”
“The data shows that the New York City Police Department is the most restrained in the country,” said Paul J. Browne, the department’s chief spokesman. “What these reports don’t show are the thousands of incidents where police were confronted with armed criminals, and they did not return fire.”.........
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/ny...rssnyt&emc=rss

I see where you are going but you kind of figured that out from a few factors

1. These officers had hardly ever drew their weapons in their careers

2. They fired a total of 50 rounds

4. less than 1/2 hit their targets

5. They almost hit other civilians and thier on colleagues

6. when you fire 31 times, stop, reload and continue firing.

What this article suggests, that sure not only have they fired and shot unarmed civilians , but they were poor shots while doing it....sounds like somebody's police force needs more time on the range and less time on the streets

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I see where you are going but you kind of figured that out from a few factorsWhat this article suggests, that sure not only have they fired and shot unarmed civilians , but they were poor shots while doing it....sounds like somebody's police force needs more time on the range and less time on the streets

I have to guess that you missed the following:
“The data shows that the New York City Police Department is the most restrained in the country,” said Paul J. Browne, the department’s chief spokesman. “What these reports don’t show are the thousands of incidents where police were confronted with armed criminals, and they did not return fire.”
John C. Cerar, a retired deputy inspector who was the commander of the Police Department’s firearms training section from 1985 to 1994, said the accuracy rate is comparable to that of many other major police departments. In some cases, it is better.
In Los Angeles, which has 9,699 officers, the police fired 283 rounds in 2006, hitting their target 77 times, for a hit ratio of 27 percent, said Officer Ana Aguirre, a spokeswoman. Last year, they fired 264 rounds, hitting 76 times, for a 29 percent hit ratio, she said.
So far this year the hit ratio in Los Angeles is 31 percent, with 74 of 237 bullets fired by officers hitting the target.
In the New York reports, the hit ratio of officers who committed suicide with a firearm — and, therefore, hit their target 100 percent of the time — is included when the overall average is calculated, bringing it up.
Forty-six police officers committed suicide in the 11 years from 1996 through 2006, an average of four a year. The highest number came in 2003, when seven officers committed suicide."
And of course, there is always the other side of the coin:
http://www.nyclu.org/node/1756

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I have to guess that you missed the following:
“The data shows that the New York City Police Department is the most restrained in the country,” said Paul J. Browne, the department’s chief spokesman. “What these reports don’t show are the thousands of incidents where police were confronted with armed criminals, and they did not return fire.”
John C. Cerar, a retired deputy inspector who was the commander of the Police Department’s firearms training section from 1985 to 1994, said the accuracy rate is comparable to that of many other major police departments. In some cases, it is better.
In Los Angeles, which has 9,699 officers, the police fired 283 rounds in 2006, hitting their target 77 times, for a hit ratio of 27 percent, said Officer Ana Aguirre, a spokeswoman. Last year, they fired 264 rounds, hitting 76 times, for a 29 percent hit ratio, she said.
So far this year the hit ratio in Los Angeles is 31 percent, with 74 of 237 bullets fired by officers hitting the target.
In the New York reports, the hit ratio of officers who committed suicide with a firearm — and, therefore, hit their target 100 percent of the time — is included when the overall average is calculated, bringing it up.
Forty-six police officers committed suicide in the 11 years from 1996 through 2006, an average of four a year. The highest number came in 2003, when seven officers committed suicide."
And of course, there is always the other side of the coin:
http://www.nyclu.org/node/1756

Son, when you have 5 people who are unarmed who died in a hail of bullets (with some reloading to do the deed) over a period of 10 years that is not called restraint. And what doies suicide have to do with them hitting their target?