Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Weren't there like 463 kids? That is like 9% of them. Isn't that common for kids? It is not like it says 41 CURRENTLY have broken bones, but kids have injuries all the time, and a lot of people break a bone with they are a kid. I bet its more then 9%

Rather interesting question a.e.B.O.T.
And since you are willing to bet on it, will you let us know what your research finds?

[ComradesTrue]

One news report on this indicated that 1/4 of girls and (forgive me here, don't remember exactly what they said) 1/3 to 1/2 of boys get a broken bone sometime during childhood. That is the population at-large.

However... they also reported that many of those with broken bones in the compound were very, very young children. In other words... too young for them to happen because they fell out of a tree, etc., and thus implying abuse.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Rather interesting question a.e.B.O.T.
And since you are willing to bet on it, will you let us know what your research finds?

Lol, I said "I bet..." as in, I don't have research fact, as in an assumption... but does anyone else think nine percent of kids have broken a bone once in their life is not that uncommon? Now the 35 girls pregnant in a controlled society like that, well, that is suspicious. (In my high school, not so suspicious)

[RU OX Alum]

i'd bet they hurt the boys in more ways than just breaking their bones

[jon1856]

Utah, Arizona say polygamist sect fled crackdowns

If Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff has heard it once, he's heard it 100 times: Utah and Arizona should have conducted their own Texas-style anti-polygamy raid years ago.


After all, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints resided for nearly a century on the Utah-Arizona border before building a compound in Eldorado, Texas.
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs...727258444/1001

Polygamous dad speaks out month after ranch raid
ELDORADO, Texas - As Richard Barlow walked eight of his children to a bus that would take them away from the YFZ Ranch, he gave each one advice.
"I spoke very freely. I said, 'Let us be at peace,' " he said.
And: "Be strong."
That was a month ago. Today his children are scattered from one end of Texas to the other and he and his wife, Susan, are desperate to see them.
Only a few men who lived with their families at the ranch, all members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, have spoken out since the April 3 raid that led to removal of 464 children because of abuse allegations. Most fear doing so will make them targets of prosecution or hamper their efforts to bring their children home.
But Barlow, 40, decided to take that risk to share how the event has torn apart his family.
http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_9155045

States divided on approach to polygamous sect

Law officers in Arizona and Utah say their method of confronting the FLDS must differ from that of Texas.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0505/p...ju.html?page=1

The FLDS argument will not hold up

By MARCI HAMILTON
Special to the Star-Telegram

When Texas authorities entered the Yearning for Zion (YFZ) Ranch, one of the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (FLDS) compounds, on April 3, they did so using a warrant based on calls from a person who alleged that she was an underage girl being subjected to physical and sexual abuse, including rape, at the ranch.
Once the authorities entered, they discovered pregnant underage girls, girls with more than one child, papers indicating that rampant polygamy was occurring at YFZ, and even a document involving cyanide poisoning. The authorities then intelligently decided to remove all of the children from a situation that posed obvious and serious danger to them.
Lawyers for the FLDS members have been arguing in the press that the entry and removal of the children constituted a "massive" violation of due process. Others have argued that the authorities' actions represent the unfair targeting of one religion. Each of these arguments is singularly misguided.
http://www.star-telegram.com/245/v-p...ry/620718.html

S.D. town watches polygamist sect

By William M. Welch, USA TODAY,
USA TODAY
Posted: 2008-04-28 07:16:32
Just down the dirt road that passes Cookie Hickstein's home, an isolated group of neighbors has drawn intense interest here in the sparsely populated Black Hills.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) has put roots on 140 acres of rugged territory. It is the same sect as at the ranch near Eldorado, Texas, where the practice of men taking multiple wives and allegations of sexual abuse of underage girls have sparked a custody battle over more than 400 children.

No such allegations have been made here, but local police worry about whether they can do their job when many of the people in their jurisdiction live in a closed, secretive society.

"It's difficult," Custer County Sheriff Rick Wheeler says. "They don't just open their doors. It's a locked-down operation, a locked fence. -- I don't get precise answers, and yes, that concerns me."


http://news.aol.com/story/_a/sd-town...28071609990077

[jon1856]

Raid on Sect in Texas Rattles Other Polygamists
COLORADO CITY, Ariz. — As the supper dishes were being cleared away and the rice pudding brought out for dessert, Marvin Wyler’s two wives, along with some of their children and a group of friends, began poring over the list.
The 44-page document, from a court in Texas, gives a glimpse of who is married to whom in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or F.L.D.S. — and in the hothouse world of religious polygamy, a list like that is a sort of Rosetta Stone to the usually hidden relationships of power, politics and piety.
“We are adding up the number of men who may be going to prison,” said Isaac Wyler, 42, the eldest of Mr. Wyler’s 34 children, who was examining the list on Sunday to see which men may have had wives under the legal age when they married.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us...ss&oref=slogin

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

i'd bet they hurt the boys in more ways than just breaking their bones

I'm not saying they have or haven't. Just saying the 9% broken bone thing seems to be a little thin in my opinion.

[ASUADPi]

I have been hearing about the FLDS church for years now. A reporter for Channel 3 has actually won Emmy's for his coverage of the sect in Colorado City. His investigative reports actually led to the warrant to arrest Jeffs. He is still covering the sect today (he actually went to Texas to cover the most recent events).

Carolyn Jessup has been on our news a multitude of times. She is still helping girls escape from Colorado City.

Not to spark another religious debate in the thread, but I think the FLDS church is whacked. They are definately a cult. I feel incredibly sorry for all involved (especially the women and the children), because of the brainwashing that is occuring.

I also think the church as stooped to a new low by doing a campaign trying to show "how good" the church is. That is a bit messed up. Especially with the news coverage showing all the faults and issues within the FLDS church. One ad campaign isn't going to change the facts of what has been occuring within the church, nor do I think it will change many peoples opinions. Those children needed to be pulled out.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

I'm not saying they have or haven't. Just saying the 9% broken bone thing seems to be a little thin in my opinion.

I agree, I'd rather see attention paid to how many boys there are versus the number of girls. Gee I wonder where all those extra boys went

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I agree, I'd rather see attention paid to how many boys there are versus the number of girls. Gee I wonder where all those extra boys went

That had not even crossed my mind until I just read this... Ohhhh, now I'm freaked out and worried. They better not have...

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

That had not even crossed my mind until I just read this... Ohhhh, now I'm freaked out and worried. They better not have...

Nitt': IIRC, I have read at least one story that sort of touched on this subject.
And IIRC, graves were mentioned.
Sure link is somewhere above.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

That had not even crossed my mind until I just read this... Ohhhh, now I'm freaked out and worried. They better not have...

There are a lot of stories of teenage boys being removed from these compounds, dumped on city streets and told, you're going to hell, you can never come back. (well maybe if you bring a wife or two with you)

There aren't accusations that they're being killed, but it's not surprising that suicide is There are organizations dedicated to working with the "Lost Boys"
Wiki

And written about the Texas case in particular asking about why no one cares about the boys, one man said

According to one exiled boy, now in his twenties, 70 percent of the boys in his school class were expelled. The New York Times article estimated that 500 to 1,000 boys had been expelled from one Utah compound alone over the past six years, out of a total compound population of about 10,000 — meaning that a large percentage of the boys had been expelled.