Hannah Montana in Vanity Fair

[DSTCHAOS]

The photos aren't tasteless but they are unnecessary for a CHILD.

I don't care what 15 year olds are doing in this youtube and myspace ERROR. 15 year olds shouldn't be presented with an image of having a sheet covering them up. Whether there are clothes under the sheet means nothing for the image being depicted.

Everyone's to blame because Vanity Fair AND her camp shouldn't have thought it was cute, creative, sexy, or whatever for us to see a 15 year old in that manner. Her myspace photos are dumb, too, and Miley and her camp need to take a page from Raven Samone's book. That's if people don't get tired of seeing Miley altogether.

[DaemonSeid]

Hey...if Brittany Spears did it.....Disney must not have a problem....


Think about it.

That reminds me...let me take you all back....

1976 (for some of you...waaay before your time) to a little film called Taxi Driver....

Deniro
Keitel
Cybil Sheppard

and very very young Jodie Foster playing the role of a 13 year old prostitute ( and yes a lil' flesh was seen) and remember, Hinkley shot Reagan for her....LOL

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Hey...if Brittany Spears did it.....Disney must not have a problem....


Think about it.

Britney Spears was a Disney employee beyond doing The New Mickey Mouse Club when she was 11?

I never knew that.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

That reminds me...let me take you all back....

1976 (for some of you...waaay before your time) to a little film called Taxi Driver....

Deniro
Keitel
Cybil Sheppard

and very very young Jodie Foster playing the role of a 13 year old prostitute ( and yes a lil' flesh was seen)

Uh huh and Brooke Shields once did a movie where she played a child prostitute. So?

[33girl]

Umm, ok, NO. NO NO NO NO NO.

Jodie Foster had to go through TONS of psychological testing to make sure taking the role wouldn't freak her out, and a body double (her older sister) was used for all the sex scenes.

There's no way you can compare a masterpiece like Taxi Driver to some pictures in Vanity Fair, myspace, whatever. It's apples and oranges.

Same with Pretty Baby, although I don't think Brooke's mom was as stable as Jodie's so who knows what went down on that set. I have to believe that Susan Sarandon would have kicked the ass of any skeezy dude who tried to mess w/ lil' Brooke though.

These are films that have held up and that have stellar performances. I seriously doubt if anyone is going to even remember Miley Cyrus and her teenybopper pop and silly show 3 years from now, let alone 30 years from now.

Her parents & manager wanted to try and get a more grownup image for her, people saw the pics and freaked out, and now they're backpedalling, IMO.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Umm, ok, NO. NO NO NO NO NO.

Jodie Foster had to go through TONS of psychological testing to make sure taking the role wouldn't freak her out, and a body double (her older sister) was used for all the sex scenes.

There's no way you can compare a masterpiece like Taxi Driver to some pictures in Vanity Fair, myspace, whatever. It's apples and oranges.

Same with Pretty Baby, although I don't think Brooke's mom was as stable as Jodie's so who knows what went down on that set. I have to believe that Susan Sarandon would have kicked the ass of any skeezy dude who tried to mess w/ lil' Brooke though.

These are films that have held up and that have stellar performances. I seriously doubt if anyone is going to even remember Miley Cyrus and her teenybopper pop and silly show 3 years from now, let alone 30 years from now.

Her parents & manager wanted to try and get a more grownup image for her, people saw the pics and freaked out, and now they're backpedalling, IMO.

co-sign

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Umm, ok, NO. NO NO NO NO NO.

Jodie Foster had to go through TONS of psychological testing to make sure taking the role wouldn't freak her out, and a body double (her older sister) was used for all the sex scenes.

There's no way you can compare a masterpiece like Taxi Driver to some pictures in Vanity Fair, myspace, whatever. It's apples and oranges.

Same with Pretty Baby, although I don't think Brooke's mom was as stable as Jodie's so who knows what went down on that set. I have to believe that Susan Sarandon would have kicked the ass of any skeezy dude who tried to mess w/ lil' Brooke though.

These are films that have held up and that have stellar performances. I seriously doubt if anyone is going to even remember Miley Cyrus and her teenybopper pop and silly show 3 years from now, let alone 30 years from now.

Her parents & manager wanted to try and get a more grownup image for her, people saw the pics and freaked out, and now they're backpedalling, IMO.

33girl...back in the day...Jodie Foster's appearance in that caused a bit of an uproar (as well as the subsequent gun scene) and didn't kill her career....this is what I am saying here...people getting bent out of shape over her pics.....geez...get a life...it's not like she is going to be the next Brittany Spears....

and for the one or 2 years that hannah Montana was a kid sensation...i don't think too many will likely forget that...if anything as her career goes forward...that would be her foundation.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Uh huh and Brooke Shields once did a movie where she played a child prostitute. So?

and this is my whole point about Miley Cyrus?

She isn't appearing nude...what's the fuss????

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and this is my whole point about Miley Cyrus?

She isn't appearing nude...what's the fuss????

Not the same thing. Foster and Shields were playing child prostitutes. Not playing on the sexual appeal of a child or putting themselves in truly suggestive positions.

But was Miley Cyrus was playing a role? Was she playing an informed role with parental guidance versus Vanity Fair taking advantage of a clueless 15 year old?

Lemme know.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

33girl...back in the day...Jodie Foster's appearance in that caused a bit of an uproar (as well as the subsequent gun scene) and didn't kill her career....this is what I am saying here...people getting bent out of shape over her pics.....geez...get a life...it's not like she is going to be the next Brittany Spears....

Who knows what she's going to be and that's not the point.

Foster's appearance caused a stir back then but not for the exact same reason that Miley Cyrus' photos are causing a stir. It didn't kill Foster's career and it probably won't end Cyrus' career. I also don't care about Cyrus' career, there's a general point to be made.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Who knows what she's going to be and that's not the point.

Foster's appearance caused a stir back then but not for the exact same reason that Miley Cyrus' photos are causing a stir. It didn't kill Foster's career and it probably won't end Cyrus' career. I also don't care about Cyrus' career, there's a general point to be made.

which is...?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Umm, ok, NO. NO NO NO NO NO.

Jodie Foster had to go through TONS of psychological testing to make sure taking the role wouldn't freak her out, and a body double (her older sister) was used for all the sex scenes.

There's no way you can compare a masterpiece like Taxi Driver to some pictures in Vanity Fair, myspace, whatever. It's apples and oranges.

Same with Pretty Baby, although I don't think Brooke's mom was as stable as Jodie's so who knows what went down on that set. I have to believe that Susan Sarandon would have kicked the ass of any skeezy dude who tried to mess w/ lil' Brooke though.

These are films that have held up and that have stellar performances. I seriously doubt if anyone is going to even remember Miley Cyrus and her teenybopper pop and silly show 3 years from now, let alone 30 years from now.

Her parents & manager wanted to try and get a more grownup image for her, people saw the pics and freaked out, and now they're backpedalling, IMO.

You're tilting here for no real reason.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that your opinion actually agrees with the main point: sexualizing adolescents (especially girls) has been a part of culture (and legitimate art) for centuries, and this example is just another silly data point. You're agreeing with this premise implicitly in this post - which I think is good, because I think it's borderline self-evident, and it should give a lot more context to why this should not be the shit circus it has become.

I can't believe this is even causing an issue, to be honest. Maybe girls will imitate and do something stupid, but that's always been a challenge and always will be - why is your 15 year old reading Vanity Fair?

The media scrutiny will do as much harm as anything, in my mind.

[DSTRen13]

I like Raven. I see her moving on to Lifetime movies or something once she can no longer at ALL possibly believably play her TV character anymore.

[sunnyhibiscus]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I like Raven. I see her moving on to Lifetime movies or something once she can no longer at ALL possibly believably play her TV character anymore.

She did do a Lifetime Movie about a year or two ago concerning a high school desegregating its prom.

As far as Jodie and Brooke was concerned, keep in mind that there not really harsher laws back in the 1970s as there are now concerning a kid depicting a sexual scene.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

I like Raven. I see her moving on to Lifetime movies or something once she can no longer at ALL possibly believably play her TV character anymore.

Probably.

On that note, child actors have always played teenage-young adult roles well beyond their years. Raven's facial age won't give her away for a couple more years but her body type might make her obviously older in a couple more years.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

You're tilting here for no real reason.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that your opinion actually agrees with the main point: sexualizing adolescents (especially girls) has been a part of culture (and legitimate art) for centuries, and this example is just another silly data point. You're agreeing with this premise implicitly in this post - which I think is good, because I think it's borderline self-evident, and it should give a lot more context to why this should not be the shit circus it has become.

No, I'm disagreeing because he's saying Jodie Foster playing a character that caused controversy because she was young & sexy (and played it to perfection, which was another thing that raised eyebrows - how damn good she was in it) is the same as Miley Cyrus being herself in pictures that caused controversy because she's young & sexy.

Now if Miley was in a movie and playing a teen who has sex for the first time complete with graphic scenes, that would be a better comparison.

I never said I thought the pics were horrible or anything, just that for her managers/parents to blame Vanity Fair & AL on anything is ridiculous when they had to sign off on it. Backpedaling.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by 33girl

No, I'm disagreeing because he's saying Jodie Foster playing a character that caused controversy because she was young & sexy (and played it to perfection, which was another thing that raised eyebrows - how damn good she was in it) is the same as Miley Cyrus being herself in pictures that caused controversy because she's young & sexy.

Now if Miley was in a movie and playing a teen who has sex for the first time complete with graphic scenes, that would be a better comparison.

I never said I thought the pics were horrible or anything, just that for her managers/parents to blame Vanity Fair & AL on anything is ridiculous when they had to sign off on it. Backpedaling.

Slow down there..I never brought up that she played it to perfection...but yes...the point I was trying to raise is that very young actors and actresses have have done some very controversial things in the course of their careers very early on and suffered no real ill effects from it.

Heck, compared to what I have seen on TV today, I don't think Foster's performance wasn't that big of a deal...BUT considerign the time period and the graphic violence of the scene she was involved in at the end of the movie, I can see how in the 70s is was a big deal.