Investigation into Hazing at Texas SAE

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Uhm...I believe I saw y'all got in trouble again.

edit: nevermind...the president, vice-prez, and pledge trainer were convicted of hazing...probably already mentioned though.

None of them are down here anymore either. Graduated, grad school, etc. Two had to come in from New York for the proceedings.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by macallan25

None of them are down here anymore either. Graduated, grad school, etc. Two had to come in from New York for the proceedings.

That sucks.

Not even involved with the chapter on a daily basis level anymore

Hazing laws are suppose to get rid of hazing but...I mean, they aren't going to haze anymore cuz they're long graduated. They should of just charged them with battery or something like that.

[breathesgelatin]

Daily Texan front page story today:

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.co...-3352775.shtml

Pretty awful stuff.

[Kevin]

Looking at those things they have been accused of (I don't know what they've actually admitted to, so a lot of this could be exaggerated), what jumps out at me is the fact that many of these activities are extremely unsafe.

A lot of this stuff, i.e., the "bows and toes," is really not unsafe, painful as hell, but not really unsafe, at least no more unsafe than flag football.

The forced drinking? That is unsafe. I often hear hazing proponents say that they "know where to draw the line," well, clearly, this is evidence that this is not always the case. At least here it wasn't. If what happened here happened as described, it's a real wonder no one was really seriously injured or died as a result of this hazing.

All that said, I don't expect these criminal complaints to amount to anything more than a few suspended sentences. I'll say what I said about the Alpha Phi Alphas at Oklahoma State -- these are likely good kids and society would be better served if they had a second chance and a clean slate.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Looking at those things they have been accused of (I don't know what they've actually admitted to, so a lot of this could be exaggerated), what jumps out at me is the fact that many of these activities are extremely unsafe.

A lot of this stuff, i.e., the "bows and toes," is really not unsafe, painful as hell, but not really unsafe, at least no more unsafe than flag football.

The forced drinking? That is unsafe. I often hear hazing proponents say that they "know where to draw the line," well, clearly, this is evidence that this is not always the case. At least here it wasn't. If what happened here happened as described, it's a real wonder no one was really seriously injured or died as a result of this hazing.

All that said, I don't expect these criminal complaints to amount to anything more than a few suspended sentences. I'll say what I said about the Alpha Phi Alphas at Oklahoma State -- these are likely good kids and society would be better served if they had a second chance and a clean slate.

Well, I do have to wonder about what is going to happen to their careers as Investment Bankers. That can be a rather ram-rod straight group there. One of my Brothers is a Managing Partner/Director of one and I have to wonder what he would say if someone told him just how they spent their weekend and why:
Two sentenced to 4 days in jail for hazing
Four UT fraternity members sentenced for 2006 treatment of pledges.
http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=207076

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/29/0429hazing.html

Could it have been worse? Yes. In many ways-including felony charges.
As I said, their career path may have just hit a speed bump if not worse.
Kevin-I hope you are correct.

[Kevin]

These convictions can really hurt them on law school/Bar Admissions processes.

But if they're going into the corporate world, this sort of behavior is par for the course

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by jon1856

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/29/0429hazing.html

Helllllooooo, Chase Bolding.

Too bad you shock people with cattle prods.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Helllllooooo, Chase Bolding.

Too bad you shock people with cattle prods.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Helllllooooo, Chase Bolding.

Too bad you shock people with cattle prods.

Do you know him?

Great guy actually.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by Kevin

these are likely good kids and society would be better served if they had a second chance and a clean slate.

Agreed.

And I know a LOT of people with CPAs, law degrees and various clearances with regulatory agencies to work as high ranking officers in stock brokerages who had a college misstep or two on their record- but it never hindered their careers.

Misdemeanors like these really don't matter to one's long term prospects- which is as it should be.