It was all Greek to me....

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

I read the article and don't see that she's denouncing the NPHC at all. She's merely calling out the practices that she experienced in her org and didn't like.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

She's denouncing the NPHC all over that blog, especially in the comments section where she says that she tells people "DO NOT PLEDGE A SORORITY."

Thanks, DSTChaos.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

So, if we're going to make this some sort of NPHC versus NPC thing, maybe someone could tell me ... would NPC members *really* be okay with, for example, some random blogger getting on the Internet and saying that she had been a Phi Mu, that the sisters in her chapter (giving enough details to identify said chapter) had been more crude and less intelligent than herself, and going on about how she had been hazed and hadn't ever really wanted to pledge in the first place, then goes on to encourage everyone to avoid the NPC altogether?

I just don't get it, but if that really would be fine with you all, okay.

Uh, I'll zoom out of my lane just long enough to give a resounding NO to your question above. I certainly can't speak for every NPC member, but I'd be chapped. Especially with how specific she was using the org's name, where she went to school, etc. Unlike the other NPCers who posted, my first thought wasn't about the chapter, my first thought was, "Good lord, I hope her nationals take/took her letters!" Guess I'm just meaner than most.

*zooms back into lane*

[AKA_Monet]

What gets me about the OP is that if she had been denied membership for whatever reason, she would be hella anti-greek psychotic until extended membership from some graduate chapter that failed to do a background check...

If she feels she was done so wrong, revoke her membership completely. Send her private jewelry (badge) and all her relays to membership back. Just because this child was a legacy does not necessitate that she should have become a member especially to be so hateful. I am sorry she failed to have a similar experience that her mother had. That is truly sad.

I do not see Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. in the manner as she described.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

So, if we're going to make this some sort of NPHC versus NPC thing, maybe someone could tell me ... would NPC members *really* be okay with, for example, some random blogger getting on the Internet and saying that she had been a Phi Mu, that the sisters in her chapter (giving enough details to identify said chapter) had been more crude and less intelligent than herself, and going on about how she had been hazed and hadn't ever really wanted to pledge in the first place, then goes on to encourage everyone to avoid the NPC altogether?

I just don't get it, but if that really would be fine with you all, okay.

Alright - clearly no one agrees with me and I'm just ticking people off, so I'm going to step out of this conversation. Except I want to say that I would be fine with the scenario you mention. I know people in my own sisterhood that haven't had the greatest experience and have spoken to me about it. I know people in my sisterhood that were hazed. I know people in my sisterhood that felt the "hive" mentality prevented them from developing all the friends they could have outside their org. These are sisters I respect and admire and I understand why their experience with my org was not as good as it might have been. I don't mind people speaking or writing such things if it's truthful. Things like accusing Greeks of "satanism" I find more ridiculous, but again, I don't know that I'd be out there campaigning against those people. The latter scenario might annoy me but I can't control what people blog or what they say and feel. So you know, too bad.

Frankly, I realize the NPC has a lot of things to clean up. We need to do a lot better job in instilling ideals of lifelong membership and the fraternity values - things that I frankly think we could take some lessons from the NPHC on. I had an amazing experience but I don't believe that people who didn't should just shut up. Rather such things can help me improve my org.

I just don't see why getting mad at any criticism (qua criticism) of NPC would be a fruitful thing for me. There are critiques which might be untruthful or inaccurate, or critiques that I could effectively counter. But there are some that I might actually agree with - no matter how great my experience was.

[tld221]

well, she was honest about her experience, but i dont understand why people hold on to that anger like that? she does sound like she was easily swayed and a total joiner. if it wasnt Zeta, she wouldve joined anything that fit the bill - ski club, chorus, hopscotch-and-marbles club, iont know. she was rolling wit the homies, and all the better that she was a legacy.

her chapter just sounds like they were looking for girls to keep the chapter alive. and she just happened to fit the bill of what we (a general, NPHC "we") look for in potential members (grades, good character, etc)

i'm not mad at her for posting all this, but still. it sounds like, at basic level, she just got up with the wrong chapter. we ALL have chapters in our orgs that are not model examples of what we are as international organizations.

and where was her mother when all this went down?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

I'm just ticking people off

Not at all. The road crew is just repainting the lines because people swerve when they fade.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by tld221

well, she was honest about her experience, but i dont understand why people hold on to that anger like that? she does sound like she was easily swayed and a total joiner. if it wasnt Zeta, she wouldve joined anything that fit the bill - ski club, chorus, hopscotch-and-marbles club, iont know. she was rolling wit the homies, and all the better that she was a legacy.

her chapter just sounds like they were looking for girls to keep the chapter alive. and she just happened to fit the bill of what we (a general, NPHC "we") look for in potential members (grades, good character, etc)

i'm not mad at her for posting all this, but still. it sounds like, at basic level, she just got up with the wrong chapter. we ALL have chapters in our orgs that are not model examples of what we are as international organizations.

and where was her mother when all this went down?

I agree TLD.

Since I am not in her chapter or her org these things may have actually happened. I know several people who regret the 'pledging' (ie. hazing) they went through (while there are others who praise it). I am surely not mad at her for posting this if it is the truth. They are her experiences.

Her mom was probably unaware if this girl is anything like one of my friends. I had a friend that 'pledge' (underground that is) whose mother is actually a member of the org she was 'pledging' yet she never told her mom because she wanted to do it on her own. She could have at least gone to mom for advice.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Not at all. The road crew is just repainting the lines because people swerve when they fade.

Well...the swerving frequently goes the other way so everyone should be a little more tolerant of the mistake!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Well...the swerving frequently goes the other way so everyone should be a little more tolerant of the mistake!

That's a gross overstatement. Get a grip.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

That's a gross overstatement. Get a grip.

In what way? NPHC members comment on NPC stuff all the time...they can do it if they want! I don't get mad about it, but it's really hypocritical to do one thing and get bent out of shape when someone else does the same thing. Personally, I stay in my own lane because I don't know anything about the other.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Unlike the other NPCers who posted, my first thought wasn't about the chapter, my first thought was, "Good lord, I hope her nationals take/took her letters!" Guess I'm just meaner than most.

No, you're just from Pennsylvania. (high fives and pierogies)

This just ground my gears because at first she was all like "I was treated terribly, they hazed me, etc etc..."

THEN you get into the comments and she says things like "But if you had a strong personality (I'm an ENFP on the Myers-Briggs, Tamra), sorority life is stifling and full of too much ass-kissing fealty." That comes across to me that even if she would have had a dream pledging experience and never been treated with anything but the utmost respect, she would have STILL hated it. Sorority life does require a certain amount of going along with the group (and no, I don't mean hazing, I mean having the formal at a place you hate that everyone else loves). If you can't do that at least part of the time, you shouldn't be in one.

[Senusret I]

Do you see anyone getting bent out of shape or do you see people having a conversation?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by 33girl

No, you're just from Pennsylvania. (high fives and pierogies)

This just ground my gears because at first she was all like "I was treated terribly, they hazed me, etc etc..."

THEN you get into the comments and she says things like "But if you had a strong personality (I'm an ENFP on the Myers-Briggs, Tamra), sorority life is stifling and full of too much ass-kissing fealty." That comes across to me that even if she would have had a dream pledging experience and never been treated with anything but the utmost respect, she would have STILL hated it. Sorority life does require a certain amount of going along with the group (and no, I don't mean hazing, I mean having the formal at a place you hate that everyone else loves). If you can't do that at least part of the time, you shouldn't be in one.

^^^ That's the part people are missing. I read the same things.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Do you see anyone getting bent out of shape or do you see people having a conversation?

I see people going on and on about "staying in your own lane" basically chastising these posters for having an opinion. We all have a right to our opinions even if they are not always well informed. All I'm pointing out is that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones so to speak.

[Senusret I]

All of which is basically irrelevant.