It was all Greek to me....

[DSTRen13]

So, if we're going to make this some sort of NPHC versus NPC thing, maybe someone could tell me ... would NPC members *really* be okay with, for example, some random blogger getting on the Internet and saying that she had been a Phi Mu, that the sisters in her chapter (giving enough details to identify said chapter) had been more crude and less intelligent than herself, and going on about how she had been hazed and hadn't ever really wanted to pledge in the first place, then goes on to encourage everyone to avoid the NPC altogether?

I just don't get it, but if that really would be fine with you all, okay.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

So, if we're going to make this some sort of NPHC versus NPC thing, maybe someone could tell me ... would NPC members *really* be okay with, for example, some random blogger getting on the Internet and saying that she had been a Phi Mu, that the sisters in her chapter (giving enough details to identify said chapter) had been more crude and less intelligent than herself, and going on about how she had been hazed and hadn't ever really wanted to pledge in the first place, then goes on to encourage everyone to avoid the NPC altogether?

I just don't get it, but if that really would be fine with you all, okay.

I don't think it would be okay with the ones who typed in this thread but, as far as they are concerned, the problem would lie with the chapter and not the blogger. The issue would be with having a chapter where the big sisters are "dumb" and unladylike because it's a sign that recruitment is failing and women do not want to pledge the chapter. Therefore, the chapter is poorly representing the organization.

LOL...although I can see their take I also don't care how this would pan out in the nonNPHC world.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I don't think it would be okay with the ones who typed in this thread but, as far as they are concerned, the problem would lie with the chapter and not the blogger. The issue would be with having a chapter where the big sisters are "dumb" and unladylike because it's a sign that recruitment is failing and women do not want to pledge the chapter. Therefore, the chapter is poorly representing the organization.

LOL...although I can see their take I also don't care how this would pan out in the nonNPHC world.

That's exactly it, DSTChaos. I can see you really understand where I was coming from. I don't think either way of addressing the situation is necessarily right or wrong - it's just foreign to me to be blaming the victim for being bitter over a bad experience.

To elaborate on what I said earlier, if this had happened to an AST chapter, I would IMMEDIATELY forward this to our chapter advisor and ask her to look into it, or perhaps our district president. I would be extremely upset that other ASTs were representing themselves in a way which leads to people feeling like the author...because where there's smoke, there's fire, especially in the hazing world. If I knew someone from that chapter, I would probably ask them about it, as well. The LAST thing that I personally would do is to say, "Wow, Nationals should pull her letters. She clearly doesn't want it bad enough." To me, that sounds like saying, "She couldn't handle the hazing so f*** her. If she really wanted it, the hazing wouldn't have been such a big deal."

And as far as saying that her chapter sisters aren't as smart as her...that should be clear, considering they were severe hazers. Obviously not smart.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

So, if we're going to make this some sort of NPHC versus NPC thing, maybe someone could tell me ... would NPC members *really* be okay with, for example, some random blogger getting on the Internet and saying that she had been a Phi Mu, that the sisters in her chapter (giving enough details to identify said chapter) had been more crude and less intelligent than herself, and going on about how she had been hazed and hadn't ever really wanted to pledge in the first place, then goes on to encourage everyone to avoid the NPC altogether?

I just don't get it, but if that really would be fine with you all, okay.

Uh, I'll zoom out of my lane just long enough to give a resounding NO to your question above. I certainly can't speak for every NPC member, but I'd be chapped. Especially with how specific she was using the org's name, where she went to school, etc. Unlike the other NPCers who posted, my first thought wasn't about the chapter, my first thought was, "Good lord, I hope her nationals take/took her letters!" Guess I'm just meaner than most.

*zooms back into lane*

[33girl]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Unlike the other NPCers who posted, my first thought wasn't about the chapter, my first thought was, "Good lord, I hope her nationals take/took her letters!" Guess I'm just meaner than most.

No, you're just from Pennsylvania. (high fives and pierogies)

This just ground my gears because at first she was all like "I was treated terribly, they hazed me, etc etc..."

THEN you get into the comments and she says things like "But if you had a strong personality (I'm an ENFP on the Myers-Briggs, Tamra), sorority life is stifling and full of too much ass-kissing fealty." That comes across to me that even if she would have had a dream pledging experience and never been treated with anything but the utmost respect, she would have STILL hated it. Sorority life does require a certain amount of going along with the group (and no, I don't mean hazing, I mean having the formal at a place you hate that everyone else loves). If you can't do that at least part of the time, you shouldn't be in one.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by 33girl

No, you're just from Pennsylvania. (high fives and pierogies)

This just ground my gears because at first she was all like "I was treated terribly, they hazed me, etc etc..."

THEN you get into the comments and she says things like "But if you had a strong personality (I'm an ENFP on the Myers-Briggs, Tamra), sorority life is stifling and full of too much ass-kissing fealty." That comes across to me that even if she would have had a dream pledging experience and never been treated with anything but the utmost respect, she would have STILL hated it. Sorority life does require a certain amount of going along with the group (and no, I don't mean hazing, I mean having the formal at a place you hate that everyone else loves). If you can't do that at least part of the time, you shouldn't be in one.

^^^ That's the part people are missing. I read the same things.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

No, you're just from Pennsylvania. (high fives and pierogies)

This just ground my gears because at first she was all like "I was treated terribly, they hazed me, etc etc..."

THEN you get into the comments and she says things like "But if you had a strong personality (I'm an ENFP on the Myers-Briggs, Tamra), sorority life is stifling and full of too much ass-kissing fealty." That comes across to me that even if she would have had a dream pledging experience and never been treated with anything but the utmost respect, she would have STILL hated it. Sorority life does require a certain amount of going along with the group (and no, I don't mean hazing, I mean having the formal at a place you hate that everyone else loves). If you can't do that at least part of the time, you shouldn't be in one.

I agree.

And as someone else said, it could've been any organization that she had this self-revelation about because some people just need something to get their wheels turning.

Being Greek isn't for everyone but it isn't the only time in anyone's life where they will have to learn how to mix and mingle for the sake of group identity and a larger cause. Work, anyone? Family, anyone? Abiding by laws, anyone? Just existing as a human, anyone? Screw that chic and her pseudo-personality analyses.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

So, if we're going to make this some sort of NPHC versus NPC thing, maybe someone could tell me ... would NPC members *really* be okay with, for example, some random blogger getting on the Internet and saying that she had been a Phi Mu, that the sisters in her chapter (giving enough details to identify said chapter) had been more crude and less intelligent than herself, and going on about how she had been hazed and hadn't ever really wanted to pledge in the first place, then goes on to encourage everyone to avoid the NPC altogether?

I just don't get it, but if that really would be fine with you all, okay.

Alright - clearly no one agrees with me and I'm just ticking people off, so I'm going to step out of this conversation. Except I want to say that I would be fine with the scenario you mention. I know people in my own sisterhood that haven't had the greatest experience and have spoken to me about it. I know people in my sisterhood that were hazed. I know people in my sisterhood that felt the "hive" mentality prevented them from developing all the friends they could have outside their org. These are sisters I respect and admire and I understand why their experience with my org was not as good as it might have been. I don't mind people speaking or writing such things if it's truthful. Things like accusing Greeks of "satanism" I find more ridiculous, but again, I don't know that I'd be out there campaigning against those people. The latter scenario might annoy me but I can't control what people blog or what they say and feel. So you know, too bad.

Frankly, I realize the NPC has a lot of things to clean up. We need to do a lot better job in instilling ideals of lifelong membership and the fraternity values - things that I frankly think we could take some lessons from the NPHC on. I had an amazing experience but I don't believe that people who didn't should just shut up. Rather such things can help me improve my org.

I just don't see why getting mad at any criticism (qua criticism) of NPC would be a fruitful thing for me. There are critiques which might be untruthful or inaccurate, or critiques that I could effectively counter. But there are some that I might actually agree with - no matter how great my experience was.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

I'm just ticking people off

Not at all. The road crew is just repainting the lines because people swerve when they fade.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Not at all. The road crew is just repainting the lines because people swerve when they fade.

Well...the swerving frequently goes the other way so everyone should be a little more tolerant of the mistake!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Well...the swerving frequently goes the other way so everyone should be a little more tolerant of the mistake!

That's a gross overstatement. Get a grip.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

That's a gross overstatement. Get a grip.

In what way? NPHC members comment on NPC stuff all the time...they can do it if they want! I don't get mad about it, but it's really hypocritical to do one thing and get bent out of shape when someone else does the same thing. Personally, I stay in my own lane because I don't know anything about the other.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Well...the swerving frequently goes the other way so everyone should be a little more tolerant of the mistake!

Well, your road crews should do some repainting too then, if they are so moved to do so.

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