What's wrong with our youth? Is it a psychosocial disorder? Is it the parents?

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Seriously, though? If you needed to, you could've clowned her without going the "stupid bitch" route. Especially when your critique of her position is inaccurate.
Actually, she isn't talking out of her ass in that post and most of her posts. She's just making a laundry list, which brings too many factors into the equation and makes it difficult to assess the relative strength of the factors in explaining the "violence problem."
What she said about migration and the eroding of traditional ties is accurate and supported by research. It is the basis for a lot of theory and research. It doesn't mean it applies in 100% of the cases or relates to everyone's experiences, but as I said before in this thread no one cares about everyone's experiences and exceptions to the research-supported "rules."

The issue of migration and ties is the same explanation that is attached to the advancement of societies, in general, and can be used to compare rural vs urban, different levels of urbanity, regional variations, and different nations. For instance, we compare economically developed nations with urbanization like the U.S. and Japan. We find that Japan has a lower crime rate than the U.S., even with high urbanization and development. One explanation for this is Japan's strong family ties and an ability to maintain solidarity and awareness of those around you (attempt to maintain informal social control mechanisms even with increasing residential mobility) even if society is developing. If you can understand that then you can understand the rural vs. urban distinction that applies in a general sense.

My point was that I wanted evidence. And, from what I have seen, there has yet to be any provided by CG. And, I believe that Southern small town ties are as strong as they have ever been. Unless of course, she would provide me with the same information my post was asking for.

Unless someone backs up their point with hard evidence, I will conclude that they are talking out of their ass. I think, perhaps, you missed the sarcasm in my post. The point was that I can say anything as long as I don't give info to back it up. It was an example... I do think she has overstepped her boundaries on rural Southern towns. That doesn't come from any research. Just almost 3 decades years of living in small rural towns in two Southern states. But, you see, I can admit that. I just want her to back her point up. I think she has talked in circles rather than backing up her position of small, rural towns in the South. If it's all just anecdotal evidence like my statement above, fine. But, I would like an explanation.

But, so far, I cannot find where she has given any kind of proof. From what I have seen, she wants to open a discussion, make points, and back away without defending them.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

And, I believe that small town ties are as strong as they have ever been. Unless of course, you would provide me with the same information my post was asking for.

You can believe that but it doesn't make it true in a general sense.

Feel free to look up and read the sources that I provided regarding the foundation for what cheerfulgreek was referencing. That's the extent of the info that I'll provide for a GC thread on this topic.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

You can believe that but it doesn't make it true in a general sense.

Feel free to look up and read the sources that I provided regarding the foundation for what cheerfulgreek was referencing. That's the extent of the info that I'll provide for a GC thread on this topic.

While you were typing, I was editing. See, that was my whole point. That without evidence it doesn't make anything so. Perhaps it was a bad way of phrasing it. But, I was trying to get her attention.

I didn't see the above references until I posted. That's why I edited.

I actually think we are on the same page. I just think sometimes I don't know how to put things in a way that is less aggressive...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

I just think sometimes I don't know how to put things in a way that is less aggressive...

Same here, sometimes! Let's take some chai latte shots!

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Same here, sometimes! Let's take some chai latte shots!

Definitely.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Unless someone backs up their point with hard evidence, I will conclude that they are talking out of their ass. I think, perhaps, you missed the sarcasm in my post. If I wanted to call someone a stupid bitch, I would just say it.

You read more like you're talking out of your ass than cheerfulgreek reads, though. You don't know that the information is wrong. You just think that it's wrong, mostly because you disagree based on your personal experience. Not based on contrary research.

I'm good at capturing sarcasm when it is effectively conveyed. It seemed like you were trying to find a cutesy way of calling her a stupid bitch who doesn't know what she's talking about. If that's not what you were doing...okay....