What's wrong with our youth? Is it a psychosocial disorder? Is it the parents?

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Well, people tend to think of small town life as stable and close, the opposite of big cities. Yet change has come to many parts of the United States. I think that dense social ties have given way to more impersonal relations in rural areas and small towns. We have to understand that demographic change brought on by migration and population turnover have disrupted tight social ties between families and neighbors. Also rates of crime are much higher in the South than anywhere else.

Show me some hard evidence... BTW, are you from a small, rural town? THINKing that something is true may or may not make it so.

Example -- I think you are a stupid bitch. I think you don't know what you are talking about. I think you are so self-righteous that I want to shove Kum-ba-yah down your throat.

I may or may not have evidence to back this up. But, saying so doesn't prove my theory...


Wait... I come from a small, rural town where increasing migration has eroded the small-town ties and is sending us all to hell in a handbasket, right? You are talking out of your ASS.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Example -- I think you are a stupid bitch. I think you don't know what you are talking about. I think you are so self-righteous that I want to shove Kum-ba-yah down your throat.

Seriously, though? If you needed to, you could've clowned her without going the "stupid bitch" route. Especially when your critique of her position is inaccurate.

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Wait... I come from a small, rural town where increasing migration has eroded the small-town ties and is sending us all to hell in a handbasket, right? You are talking out of your ASS.

Actually, she isn't talking out of her ass in that post and most of her posts. She's just making a laundry list, which brings too many factors into the equation and makes it difficult to assess the relative strength of the factors in explaining the "violence problem."

What she said about migration and the eroding of traditional ties is accurate and supported by research. It is the basis for a lot of theory and research. It doesn't mean it applies in 100% of the cases or relates to everyone's experiences, but as I said before in this thread no one cares about everyone's experiences and exceptions to the research-supported "rules."

The issue of migration and ties is the same explanation that is attached to the advancement of societies, in general, and can be used to compare rural vs urban, different levels of urbanity, regional variations, and different nations. For instance, we compare economically developed nations with urbanization like the U.S. and Japan. We find that Japan has a lower crime rate than the U.S., even with high urbanization and development. One explanation for this is Japan's strong family ties and an ability to maintain solidarity and awareness of those around you (attempt to maintain informal social control mechanisms even with increasing residential mobility) even if society is developing. If you can understand that then you can understand the rural vs. urban distinction that applies in a general sense.

[DSTCHAOS]

For those of you who are entertained by further reading on the issue of community ties and migration and the disruption of societal ties. These aren't the most recent but these are some of the most prolific and cited sources:

Tittle and Paternoster 1988 "Geographic Mobility and Criminal Behavior." Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency. 25, 301-343.

Clinard and Abbott. 1973. Crime in Developing Countries: A Comparative Perspective. New York.

Clifford 1976. Crime Control in Japan. Lexington: MA: D.C. Health.

Adler, Freda. 1983. Nations Not Obsessed with Crime. Littleton, CO: Rothman.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Seriously, though? If you needed to, you could've clowned her without going the "stupid bitch" route. Especially when your critique of her position is inaccurate.
Actually, she isn't talking out of her ass in that post and most of her posts. She's just making a laundry list, which brings too many factors into the equation and makes it difficult to assess the relative strength of the factors in explaining the "violence problem."
What she said about migration and the eroding of traditional ties is accurate and supported by research. It is the basis for a lot of theory and research. It doesn't mean it applies in 100% of the cases or relates to everyone's experiences, but as I said before in this thread no one cares about everyone's experiences and exceptions to the research-supported "rules."

The issue of migration and ties is the same explanation that is attached to the advancement of societies, in general, and can be used to compare rural vs urban, different levels of urbanity, regional variations, and different nations. For instance, we compare economically developed nations with urbanization like the U.S. and Japan. We find that Japan has a lower crime rate than the U.S., even with high urbanization and development. One explanation for this is Japan's strong family ties and an ability to maintain solidarity and awareness of those around you (attempt to maintain informal social control mechanisms even with increasing residential mobility) even if society is developing. If you can understand that then you can understand the rural vs. urban distinction that applies in a general sense.

My point was that I wanted evidence. And, from what I have seen, there has yet to be any provided by CG. And, I believe that Southern small town ties are as strong as they have ever been. Unless of course, she would provide me with the same information my post was asking for.

Unless someone backs up their point with hard evidence, I will conclude that they are talking out of their ass. I think, perhaps, you missed the sarcasm in my post. The point was that I can say anything as long as I don't give info to back it up. It was an example... I do think she has overstepped her boundaries on rural Southern towns. That doesn't come from any research. Just almost 3 decades years of living in small rural towns in two Southern states. But, you see, I can admit that. I just want her to back her point up. I think she has talked in circles rather than backing up her position of small, rural towns in the South. If it's all just anecdotal evidence like my statement above, fine. But, I would like an explanation.

But, so far, I cannot find where she has given any kind of proof. From what I have seen, she wants to open a discussion, make points, and back away without defending them.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

And, I believe that small town ties are as strong as they have ever been. Unless of course, you would provide me with the same information my post was asking for.

You can believe that but it doesn't make it true in a general sense.

Feel free to look up and read the sources that I provided regarding the foundation for what cheerfulgreek was referencing. That's the extent of the info that I'll provide for a GC thread on this topic.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

You can believe that but it doesn't make it true in a general sense.

Feel free to look up and read the sources that I provided regarding the foundation for what cheerfulgreek was referencing. That's the extent of the info that I'll provide for a GC thread on this topic.

While you were typing, I was editing. See, that was my whole point. That without evidence it doesn't make anything so. Perhaps it was a bad way of phrasing it. But, I was trying to get her attention.

I didn't see the above references until I posted. That's why I edited.

I actually think we are on the same page. I just think sometimes I don't know how to put things in a way that is less aggressive...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

I just think sometimes I don't know how to put things in a way that is less aggressive...

Same here, sometimes! Let's take some chai latte shots!

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Same here, sometimes! Let's take some chai latte shots!

Definitely.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Unless someone backs up their point with hard evidence, I will conclude that they are talking out of their ass. I think, perhaps, you missed the sarcasm in my post. If I wanted to call someone a stupid bitch, I would just say it.

You read more like you're talking out of your ass than cheerfulgreek reads, though. You don't know that the information is wrong. You just think that it's wrong, mostly because you disagree based on your personal experience. Not based on contrary research.

I'm good at capturing sarcasm when it is effectively conveyed. It seemed like you were trying to find a cutesy way of calling her a stupid bitch who doesn't know what she's talking about. If that's not what you were doing...okay....

[33girl]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

If you were smart, you would know social history left its traces in the personalities of contemporary southerners! To demonstrate my point, there were experiments that were done that tested responses to insults and found that southern students were more likely to be angered and less likely to be amused. Southern students showed a sharper physical reaction to these stresses, with higher levels of cortisol and testosterone. Finally, southerners tended to be more aggressive, less deferential, and more domineering and were more likely to express concern that someone who had observed the insult would perceive them as less masculine. And I could give two shits what you think about me ASSHOLE!!!!!!

Are you Southern?

[ilovemyglo]

See this is a good time to bring up what other methods my mother used for punishing us-
when we said bad words we got a bar of soap in the mouth for two minutes.

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

You really wanna start this? BRING IT ON! Oh, I'm still waiting on that cited list of evidence for your point... Bitch.

Let's Get Ready to Rumble!!!!

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

You want to start insulting me because I am SOUTHERN now? You have a lot of fucking nerve. Go ahead. Use what little you know about me to insult me instead of trying to actually respond to what the point was.

Tippiechick, I don't know anything about you. I never said I did, and I wasn't trying to insult you because you're Southern. If I did, those totally were not my intentions. I totally think you were out of line for calling me a bitch though. If you didn't agree with me, why couldn't you have just said so without calling me a bitch and telling me you were going to shove something down my throat? That was rude, and it wasn't necessary. Then you came back with another post full of so much anger. o.k. so I called you an asshole, but what did you expect me to do? You called me a bitch. I'm not a bitch.

I just wanted to have a chatting session on this thread just like any other thread. Everyone on here has their own opinions about certain topics, and people are going to think their opinion is the right one.

I totally apologize for calling you an asshole.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I totally apologize for calling you an asshole.

LOL. You apologized?

cheers, jokers don't accept apologies on greekchat.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

cheers, jokers don't accept apologies on greekchat.

They actually do.