Hamas endorses Obama

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Well they get to do whatever they want. How exactly would you stop them? We just get to choose not to listen to them.

SECdomination's logic is backward: If Hamas knows we don't like them, and they endorse a candidate, odds are they expect less support for a candidate. Therefore we should clearly all vote for Obama to thwart Hamas.

/sarcasm

What exactly does an endorsement mean anyways...just because XYZ person endorses ABC candidate menas that the particular one will win...it's just like anything else..it's an opinion of who is 'better'.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

^^^Well, a little bit of "yes" on the first count, though, right, SEC?

Well, a whole lotta "yes" actually.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

SECdomination's logic is backward

There was logic there?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Well, a whole lotta "yes" actually.
There was logic there?

I didn't say it was Earth-logic.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Remember that when Reagan was giving his inaugural address, all the hostages in Iran were released. That's because the Iranians knew we'd come fighting. Jimmy Carter was a pushover, just like Obama- and apparantly Hamas thinks so too.

I think this is the part where you're veering into the "making it up" territory. At the time, it was seen mainly as a middle-finger to Carter, not fear of Reagan.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Either way, when anti-Americans officially endorse one of our presidential candidates, it doesn't make me like him any more.

Eh, it's completely irrelevant to my opinion of the candidate. I just think it raises interesting questions about what a group like Hamas thinks it's accomplishing -- maybe they want Clinton and are hoping their endorsement will turn people to her.

[AKA_Monet]

Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket? LOL

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Which is where I, and those who think it's a bigger deal than you, disagree.

Trying to sabatoge him might be believable. But it's not for me, because I already find him to be the most liberal candidate- way more left than Hillary. This whole ordeal just confirms what I already knew.

As long as you realize you're reading into it only what you put there. Their endorsement might mean that they think he has the best chance of working out a deal where Israel and Palestine live together without shooting each other or blowing up discos. It might mean that they think he'll be the weakest president and the easiest to manipulate. It might mean they'd like to see a brown guy in office. It might mean they discovered he forgets to put the butter away sometimes and they can really relate to that.

It goes on and on. Without them stating why they endorse, and you being able to trust that statement, you're only taking out what you put in.

[honeychile]

Yeah, bu the important thing is: has Jimmy Carter given Obama his support?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Yeah, bu the important thing is: has Jimmy Carter given Obama his support?

He's not endorsing til the convention.

I know I know, you were making a funny.

[Educatingblue]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It might mean they'd like to see a brown guy in office.

I was thinking more along the lines of this. I wonder if a minority president will change the way the international community views the United States.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Educatingblue

I was thinking more along the lines of this. I wonder if a minority president will change the way the international community views the United States.

I think his proposed actions will have a much greater influence on how we are viewed by the international community rather than his skin color.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Educatingblue

I was thinking more along the lines of this. I wonder if a minority president will change the way the international community views the United States.

I've read stories from reporters in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. that include the comment that Obama does give the people there hope that America practices what it preaches. Average everyday people, btw, who may or may not be thrilled with the US but aren't on a jihad against it.

And I think that's the difference between the "international community" that macallan speaks of and Mohammed, John, Ivan, etc. on the street.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by Educatingblue

I was thinking more along the lines of this. I wonder if a minority president will change the way the international community views the United States.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I've read stories from reporters in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. that include the comment that Obama does give the people there hope that America practices what it preaches.

From what i've been told, a lot of the "admiration" (for a lack of a better term) for Obama is mainly because his father was/is Muslim.

But, I think any president that doesn't have a George W. Bush mentality might be able to change the way the int'l community views us.

[Educatingblue]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I've read stories from reporters in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. that include the comment that Obama does give the people there hope that America practices what it preaches. Average everyday people, btw, who may or may not be thrilled with the US but aren't on a jihad against it.

Exactly! Everytime I watch international news reports, I am astounded by the Anti-American sentiment on various political issues. EVERY American obviously does not share the same views nor feel superior to the rest of the world.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by epchick

From what i've been told, a lot of the "admiration" (for a lack of a better term) for Obama is mainly because his father was/is Muslim.

But, I think any president that doesn't have a George W. Bush mentality might be able to change the way the int'l community views us.

I don't think it's simply because his father's Muslim, but what it means that America could elect a President with that heritage. There is certainly a tendancy to support the person "like" you, especially when you don't have as much of a stake in the winner.

Originally Posted by Educatingblue

Exactly! Everytime I watch international news reports, I am astounded by the Anti-American sentiment on various political issues. EVERY American obviously does not share the same views nor feel superior to the rest of the world.

*nod*
There are some people who should get the lesson from that and apply it to their own perceptions. Like those who think that all Muslims think the same way *cough hint cough*

And as for the media, as much as I like the BBC for example, they have their own bias too.