Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Pebcake

33girl, I get it. I get that you are rude and arrogant. You are so sure you are right? I am not an expert on this lifestyle, but surely you must be. If you were not an expert, you could not be so convinced that you know everything. I don't like to be rude, but I guess you brought it out with you silly remarks about being a 6th wife.

Pebcake, I get that you are rude and arrogant. You are so sure you are right? I am not an expert on Child Protective Services, but surely you must be. If you were not an expert you could not be so convinced that you know everything. I don't like to be rude, but I guess you brought it out with your remarks implying that children should stay in abusive homes.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think that this may be related to the polygamy. Since many of these women aren't legally married, they're often collecting public aid as a single mother. If the fathers take responsibility for the children of his extra wives, both parents can be prosecuted for fraud. Essentially they'd have to admit to the polygamy and/or to the identities of the fathers so the state could pursue child support. Apparently this is one of the more common ways that polygamy of this sort is prosecuted.

Good point. Also, since people have evidence of what they are doing, anyway, couldn't more evidence be found to prosecute them for fraud?

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also possible that the guys are even creepier looking.

The guys they showed didn't look as creepy as the women.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by macallan25

......and there is something wrong with making sure a child isn't being abused?

Thank you Brother!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Good point. Also, since people have evidence of what they are doing, anyway, couldn't more evidence be found to prosecute them for fraud?



The guys they showed didn't look as creepy as the women.

Haven't seen the guys myself yet.

I get the impression it's a bit like prosecuting the mob for tax fraud. We all know they're in polygamous marriages, but unless they admit to it we can't prove it since there's no public documentation.

[Pebcake]

Very original. I give up.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Pebcake

I may be wrong,

We agree on something!

I promise, I'm joking.

but I did watch a segment on 20/20 where the parents were on the program because there had been a complaint that there was abuse happening in the household. The social worker came, couldn't decide if it might be true or not, so took the child just to be safe. Turns out the call had been made by a disgruntled nanny. In the meantime, the child was raped in the foster home. I don't remember which state the story focused on.

Most jurisdictions have laws allowing children to be removed if, after initial investigation, authorities have sufficient reason to believe that abuse is occuring. I don't know of any jurisdiction where it can be done "just to be safe" if the social worker can't tell what's going on.

Just to be clear, though, in this case, the complaint that sparked official action came from one of the children, and no children were removed into protective custody until some investigation had been undertaken.

[DSTCHAOS]

Pebcake and others:

If you wish to post among the GC Cult, you must either agree with everything being posted OR have a sound framework for whatever potentially dissenting opinion you may have. Preferable the latter.

Failure to comply will release the cult hounds.

Good day!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Pebcake and others:

If you wish to post among the GC Cult, you must either agree with everything being posted OR have a sound framework for whatever potentially dissenting opinion you may have. Preferable the latter.

Failure to comply will release the cult hounds.

Good day!

Definitely the latter. I've seen good arguments for the children going back, "omg this one time I saw a special on TV and terrible tragic thing happened" isn't one of them.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Definitely the latter. I've seen good arguments for the children going back, "omg this one time I saw a special on TV and terrible tragic thing happened" isn't one of them.

Pebcake wouldn't be an FLDS attorney.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Pebcake wouldn't be an FLDS attorney.

Heh, I've seen LJ arguments better than the FLDS attornies: "Well it was a hoax call sooooo give them back," isn't any better.

[SigKapSweetie]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I get the impression it's a bit like prosecuting the mob for tax fraud. We all know they're in polygamous marriages, but unless they admit to it we can't prove it since there's no public documentation.

Awesome comparison.

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by Pebcake

Very original. I give up.

Best news I've heard all day.

Just found out, my cousin went to high school with the judge. Aunt in San Angelo said many residents have taken attorneys into their homes because all of the hotels are full with the media

[Pebcake]

That really is a great comparison.

[jon1856]

After that little detour/side trip-Back to the News "facts of the day":
Texas begins DNA tests on polygamist sect children

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - State authorities on Monday began running DNA tests on over 400 children removed from a polygamist compound in west Texas to determine if some were born to underage mothers.
Such evidence could be key in an investigation of possible abuse at the secretive compound linked to a break-away Mormon sect run by followers of jailed polygamist Warren Jeffs.
"It is a cheek swab and it is very non-invasive," said Patrick Crimmins of the Texas Department of Children and Family Services of the tests.
A judge on Friday ordered the tests to determine parentage and relationships within the community. Meanwhile, the children must remain in the department's custody.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...e=domesticNews

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) -- Lab workers began taking DNA samples Monday from the more than 400 children in state custody since a raid on a polygamist compound more than two weeks ago.
Officials hope the samples, to be taken by cheek swabs from the children and their parents, will help sort out the confusing family relationships in a convoluted custody case that has strained the resources of the child welfare system and the courts.
The testing is being conducted in the San Angelo Coliseum, where most of the children have been held since last week.
Judge Barbara Walther ordered the tests at the request of state officials, who have complained that members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have continually changed their names, possibly lied about their ages and sometimes had difficulty naming their relatives.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/21/....ap/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351921,00.html

Polygamous sect unleashes PR campaign

Previously silent group mobilizes after state removes 416 children
SAN ANGELO, Texas - Before authorities raided their west Texas retreat, members of a secretive polygamous church spent decades holding as tightly to their intense privacy as the Scriptures guiding their way of life.
Contact with outsiders was limited. Media inquiries were rejected with either stone-faced silence or a polite "no comment."
But after Texas officials removed 416 children belonging to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the sect fired up the public relations machine.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24234987/

Polygamists make their own fashion statement

The puff-sleeved, pastel dresses are a blast from the 19th century
For a society accustomed to the likes of Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan, the images of the women from the polygamist compound in Texas are almost shocking in their understatement: Ankle-length dresses, makeup-less faces, hauntingly uniform hair.
And while no one would accuse the women of making a fashion statement, the pioneer-style outfits are a rare of example of how in an age of overexposure, modesty, too, can give pause.
The puff-sleeved, pastel dresses worn by the women in the sect are a combination of original 19th-century wear and 1950s clothing that was adopted when the church took a conservative turn, according to Janet Bennion, an anthropologist who studies polygamist women
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24245576/

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Polygamists make their own fashion statement

The puff-sleeved, pastel dresses are a blast from the 19th century
For a society accustomed to the likes of Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan, the images of the women from the polygamist compound in Texas are almost shocking in their understatement: Ankle-length dresses, makeup-less faces, hauntingly uniform hair.

And while no one would accuse the women of making a fashion statement, the pioneer-style outfits are a rare of example of how in an age of overexposure, modesty, too, can give pause.

The puff-sleeved, pastel dresses worn by the women in the sect are a combination of original 19th-century wear and 1950s clothing that was adopted when the church took a conservative turn, according to Janet Bennion, an anthropologist who studies polygamist women
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24245576/

I thought that was a really cruel article. The quotes by the celebrity stylists were especially insensitive and rude.