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04-17-2008, 07:16 AM
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That's somewhat it, honestly.
And I did read the rules. SAE got off scott-free. Which is good, but it proves my points. Strong chapters will not get taken down in the South.
Very little of those things that were written down are actually going to be followed through with. Maybe for a year or so.
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04-17-2008, 08:26 AM
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Just a little historical aside - The War Between the States did not, alas, end up well for those who wanted to emphasize state's rights over centralized federal government. They were crushed by sheer numbers and resources. . . 
( and NO - I'm not really continuing the analogy. I don't think . . . I don't know enough either way to be able to authoritatively say. But the analogy might not be the BEST if you are in favor of local chapter vs. nationals.)
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04-17-2008, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle
Just a little historical aside - The War Between the States did not, alas, end up well for those who wanted to emphasize state's rights over centralized federal government. They were crushed by sheer numbers and resources. . .
( and NO - I'm not really continuing the analogy. I don't think . . . I don't know enough either way to be able to authoritatively say. But the analogy might not be the BEST if you are in favor of local chapter vs. nationals.) |
SWTXBelle;
I agree with you.
I was just about the post a little different analogy that takes yours one step farther.
The chapters could be the Native-American Tribes/Nations during the War between the States.
Particularly if they go local.
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04-17-2008, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle
They were crushed by sheer numbers and resources. . .
( and NO - I'm not really continuing the analogy. I don't think . . . I don't know enough either way to be able to authoritatively say. But the analogy might not be the BEST if you are in favor of local chapter vs. nationals.) |
Actually, the South wasn't crushed. They were defeated certainly, yes, but crushed is quite the hyperbole. Most of the victories come from the eastern side of the states (once again I will point out the SEC part).
And if you are in favor of local chapters (seceding) against their nationals it really is a good analogy in my opinion. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and now we have a Federalist government with shared powers between states rights and central government. If the locals talk to nationals about abandoning them they may be treated with disdain, but conversely, they might be able to get nationals to realize their problems they have with them.
/Analogy and History Lessons.
//Still not favoring one side or the other, just sparking discussion.
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04-17-2008, 06:18 PM
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Actually, the South wasn't crushed. They were defeated certainly, yes, but crushed is quite the hyperbole. Most of the victories come from the eastern side of the states (once again I will point out the SEC part).
And if you are in favor of local chapters (seceding) against their nationals it really is a good analogy in my opinion. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and now we have a Federalist government with shared powers between states rights and central government. If the locals talk to nationals about abandoning them they may be treated with disdain, but conversely, they might be able to get nationals to realize their problems they have with them.
/Analogy and History Lessons.
//Still not favoring one side or the other, just sparking discussion.
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Given what the Southern economy looked like , I'd say "crushed" was a fair term. From a purely military standpoint, I see your point. Mine was simply that the analogy wasn't perhaps the best IF you were in support of local autonomy.
And it's true, Tom -"when ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise." So I'm happy for your bliss, Mr. Earp
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04-17-2008, 09:22 AM
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And I did read the rules. SAE got off scott-free. Which is good, but it proves my points. Strong chapters will not get taken down in the South.
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EW, you still did not get it. You are so hung up on National/School matters, you seem to over look the fact that there are also Govermental agencies that have an interest in GLO's.
Once again I do have to ask you: Did you change schools once again? As you always seem to know every thing about anything at every GLO, at every campus, in every State.
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