Obama scoring points with rural voters...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

If you don't understand, I can explain it to you. That "ETA" part wasn't directly to you. But don't take an asshole tone unless you want this thread take a bad turn

The "ETA" part: The frame of reference provides the context. Meaning, he's offending the sensibilities of the "hard working," "hard praying," "right to bear arms defending" or whatever else people think characterizes the rural voters that he's talking about. That is interpreted as not only condescending but even "anti-American" to an extent. But removing the emotion from it all, even many rural voters can understand where he's coming from.



The reality is that some people found it condescending. Okay.

That doesn't remove the truthfulness of what he and others have said regarding this topic. I certainly hope he does not apologize for his well-delivered and accurate comments.

You can bring any tone you want. I'm not scared.

We'll see how his comments ultimately play out. I don't know if you'll be as happy he didn't apologize or that spoke this particular, pretty meaningless "truth" (or opinion, for the rest of us) if it costs him votes in states he still needs to win.

But hey, it doesn't matter to me. People who were going to vote for Obama already can keep wanting to vote for him, and everyone else can feel insulted or disgusted by his condescension and vote for Hillary or better yet, just vote for McCain in the general.

But nobody with any sense can say that this dust up helped Obama get closer to the Presidency.

[blklikeme]

We in Philly are mad about the way the dems and rep ran this place into the gound and made millions doing it
they don t care about any of us and it is about time we start caring about our self and the people around us
and start changeing the way thing run in this country

That is why Obama is the man

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by blklikeme

We in Philly are mad about the way the dems and rep ran this place into the gound and made millions doing it
they don t care about any of us and it is about time we start caring about our self and the people around us
and start changeing the way thing run in this country

That is why Obama is the man

We can do this with out massive government involvement which strips people of liberty.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You can bring any tone you want. I'm not scared.

Shut up.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

We'll see how his comments ultimately play out. I don't know if you'll be as happy he didn't apologize or that spoke this particular, pretty meaningless "truth" (or opinion, for the rest of us) if it costs him votes in states he still needs to win.

I don't care if it costs him votes. I'm not an Obama supporter.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Shut up.

I don't care if it costs him votes. I'm not an Obama supporter.

So you just appreciate a guy sabotaging himself by "truth" telling? Okay.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

So you just appreciate a guy sabotaging himself by "truth" telling? Okay.

I appreciate the truth and so do other people. Okay.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I appreciate the truth and so do other people. Okay.

Yep, but some things are opinion rather than truth, particularly when it comes to analyzing the voting patterns of other people whom you haven't even spoken to. One could speculate about why they might or might not vote for a particular candidate, but without asking or even knowing their specific circumstances, it's pretty arrogant to call it "truth."

But apparently neither of us are in danger of actually voting for him. I'm disappointed because I thought he might be better/smarter than to make such a clear unforced error, and I used to prefer him to Hillary and regard him as someone I'd be okay with in the White House (even though I would likely vote for the Republic candidate in the general because there's a sliver of a chance that the rate of government growth and taxation might be lower and because I think it's important to win in Iraq.)

Since Rezko, Rev. Wright and this pretending-to-know-the-minds-of-rural-voters-and-getting-it wrong stuff, I think he's just a more charismatic version of the same ol' political BS. It's just a slightly different kind of packaging.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yep, but some things are opinion rather than truth, particularly when it comes to analyzing the voting patterns of other people whom you haven't even spoken to.

That depends. If he had pulled from a citable source, it would be less of his opinion (it already isn't just his opinion to those of us who are familiar with this explanation of social patterns). Would that make it less condescending to some? That's funny.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But apparently neither of us are in danger of actually voting for him.

I might vote for him. I'm just not an Obama supporter.

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

This is what I get from him:
"Uneducated people in rural America are too stupid to realize that guns, religion, morals, and values won't help their economic circumstances."

Holy spindoctor, Batman! The people who detest Obama to your degree are just as guilty of painting a false picture of him as those who think he is some messianic figure.

What you got from Obama is precisely what I would expect someone to get who absolutely loathes him. Your mind is closed to the possibility that he could have meant something else. And that's fine. If you're going to be rigid like that, go right ahead. But he never said anyone was stupid, he said that people are "bitter". There's a huge difference. Bitter does not equal stupid. There is smart and stupid, content and bitter. If you're bitter, than you desire to find contentedness. How do you do that when your government is ignoring you? How can you do that when you have limited economic prospects? You do what you can and lean on traditions... in small towns and rural America, that usually means hunting, going to church, playing some ball, etc. Yes, it may also mean fear of the other (I can't tell you how many times I've heard people in troublesome economic situations blame immigrants for stealing all the jobs).

For me, I'm tired of the same crap in Washington. McCain is a geezer and doesn't represent a lot of my issues the way I would like; Hillary is a big fat liar. That's well documented. I don't know if Obama can do the job, but I'm willing to give him a try. It can't be any worse than Bush.