Obama scoring points with rural voters...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Nothing new...but perhaps it would've been best received if it had not targeted a group that is not used to being targeted.

Poor rural people are never the targets of condescending social commentary? Really?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Poor rural people are never the targets of condescending social commentary? Really?

There was nothing condescending about his comments.

But, REALLY.

ETA: As I said before, his comments are nothing new. But the fact that they are receiving so much negative attention means there's a disconnect somewhere. The disconnect has to do with the people his comments are interpreted as being about---frame of reference provides the context.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There was nothing condescending about his comments.

But, REALLY.

ETA: As I said before, his comments are nothing new. But the fact that they are receiving so much negative attention means there's a disconnect somewhere. The disconnect has to do with the people his comments are interpreted as being about---frame of reference provides the context.

You realize you haven't really said anything here, right?

ETA: oh, I guess you did say that his comments weren't condescending, which might be your opinion, but doesn't necessarily correspond with reality.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You realize you haven't really said anything here, right?

If you don't understand, I can explain it to you. That "ETA" part wasn't directly to you. But don't take an asshole tone unless you want this thread take a bad turn

The "ETA" part: The frame of reference provides the context. Meaning, he's offending the sensibilities of the "hard working," "hard praying," "right to bear arms defending" or whatever else people think characterizes the rural voters that he's talking about. That is interpreted as not only condescending but even "anti-American" to an extent. But removing the emotion from it all, even many rural voters can understand where he's coming from.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

ETA: oh, I guess you did say that his comments weren't condescending, which might be your opinion, but doesn't necessarily correspond with reality.

The reality is that some people found it condescending. Okay.

That doesn't remove the truthfulness of what he and others have said regarding this topic. I certainly hope he does not apologize for his well-delivered and accurate comments.

[Blacksocialite]

Ouch - it's getting heated in here.

I live in PA and there are mixed emotions to Obama's comments. However, I doubt that the comments will negatively impact his voter base in the state.

But on top of the 'bitter' remarks what has caused additional stir in the Philly and Pittsburgh press is Obama's decision to not campaign in Black neighborhoods. I'm not sure I would have recommended this strategy if I was working on his campaign.

PA is an ify swing state that is very Republicrat. Voters are conservative in thought, liberal in many policies, and loyal to no party. It is one of the few states documented to have many people vote split ticket.

From what I have observed (and what insiders in his PA campaign have stated), Obama's reception in PA has been far less than what they expected. Both the Governor of PA and the Mayor of Philly are endorsing Clinton.

I think his comments may have been made out of frustration that his PA reception has been kinda lukewarm.

I have been guilty of trying to work something out in my head and then speak on it at an inappropriate time. I believe the intellectual in him was trying to understand (and rationalize to himself) why he hasn't won over PA yet. The comments were probably better for a 'closed door' discussion and he has stated that he regrets making them now.

The percentage gap is closing between him and Clinton but it's still very possible that she may win PA. I can see this fight between them going to the DNC Convention.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

If you don't understand, I can explain it to you. That "ETA" part wasn't directly to you. But don't take an asshole tone unless you want this thread take a bad turn

The "ETA" part: The frame of reference provides the context. Meaning, he's offending the sensibilities of the "hard working," "hard praying," "right to bear arms defending" or whatever else people think characterizes the rural voters that he's talking about. That is interpreted as not only condescending but even "anti-American" to an extent. But removing the emotion from it all, even many rural voters can understand where he's coming from.



The reality is that some people found it condescending. Okay.

That doesn't remove the truthfulness of what he and others have said regarding this topic. I certainly hope he does not apologize for his well-delivered and accurate comments.

You can bring any tone you want. I'm not scared.

We'll see how his comments ultimately play out. I don't know if you'll be as happy he didn't apologize or that spoke this particular, pretty meaningless "truth" (or opinion, for the rest of us) if it costs him votes in states he still needs to win.

But hey, it doesn't matter to me. People who were going to vote for Obama already can keep wanting to vote for him, and everyone else can feel insulted or disgusted by his condescension and vote for Hillary or better yet, just vote for McCain in the general.

But nobody with any sense can say that this dust up helped Obama get closer to the Presidency.

[blklikeme]

We in Philly are mad about the way the dems and rep ran this place into the gound and made millions doing it
they don t care about any of us and it is about time we start caring about our self and the people around us
and start changeing the way thing run in this country

That is why Obama is the man

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by blklikeme

We in Philly are mad about the way the dems and rep ran this place into the gound and made millions doing it
they don t care about any of us and it is about time we start caring about our self and the people around us
and start changeing the way thing run in this country

That is why Obama is the man

We can do this with out massive government involvement which strips people of liberty.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You can bring any tone you want. I'm not scared.

Shut up.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

We'll see how his comments ultimately play out. I don't know if you'll be as happy he didn't apologize or that spoke this particular, pretty meaningless "truth" (or opinion, for the rest of us) if it costs him votes in states he still needs to win.

I don't care if it costs him votes. I'm not an Obama supporter.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Shut up.

I don't care if it costs him votes. I'm not an Obama supporter.

So you just appreciate a guy sabotaging himself by "truth" telling? Okay.