Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

LOL. jon1856 rocks. Keeping fighting the good fight.

macallan, I am scared of that photo. But you're still cool.

Well I do believe this is the first time I have ever seen Mods hi-jack a thread.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Well I do believe this is the first time I have ever seen Mods hi-jack a thread.

"Do as I say and not as I do?"

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

"Do as I say and not as I do?"

Perhaps-or just "heat of the moment(s)"
We NOW return you to the program already in progress......

[jon1856]

Texas Polygamy Raid May Pose Risk
ELDORADO, Tex. — The raid last week on a polygamist compound here is complicating law enforcement efforts in Utah and Arizona, where there are far more offshoot Mormon polygamists but where the authorities try to avoid such large-scale confrontations.
Officials in those states have dealt for many years with the tangled and delicate problem of opening communications with polygamist groups while also winning the confidence of girls who are taken as under-age wives. The Texas authorities say the raid here was prompted by a 16-year-old who called on a cellphone from the compound in a cry for help.
But the raid’s scale — 416 children were removed, making it the largest raid in more than a half century in the West — and the fact that the 16-year-old has not been identified, has sharply eroded trust in the government among polygamist groups, according to law enforcement officials in several states.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/us...ss&oref=slogin

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Texas Polygamy Raid May Pose Risk
ELDORADO, Tex. — The raid last week on a polygamist compound here is complicating law enforcement efforts in Utah and Arizona, where there are far more offshoot Mormon polygamists but where the authorities try to avoid such large-scale confrontations.
Officials in those states have dealt for many years with the tangled and delicate problem of opening communications with polygamist groups while also winning the confidence of girls who are taken as under-age wives. The Texas authorities say the raid here was prompted by a 16-year-old who called on a cellphone from the compound in a cry for help.
But the raid’s scale — 416 children were removed, making it the largest raid in more than a half century in the West — and the fact that the 16-year-old has not been identified, has sharply eroded trust in the government among polygamist groups, according to law enforcement officials in several states.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/us...ss&oref=slogin

Not that I really have any problem with the raid in practice, the fact that they can't find, or identify if they did find her, the girl who made the complaint does kind of make you wonder a tiny bit about a relatively low standard for probable cause for the raid.

Suppose all it took for anyone's house to be raided was a cell phone call by someone who later couldn't be found? It seems a little troublesome.

Sure, in this instance, coupled with it being a FCJCLDS compound, the call seems like enough. But it's troublesome on some level too even if you aren't a a member of polygamous group.

[Benzgirl]

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...270.xml&coll=2

San Angelo, Texas - All their lives, the girls in the polygamist sect in the west Texas desert were told that the outside world was hostile and immoral, and that venturing beyond the brilliant white limestone walls of their compound would consign them to eternal damnation.
Now, if the state gets its way, hundreds of the girls could be put in foster homes, in what could be a wrenching cultural adjustment that may require intensive counseling.
"What they are up against is having to deprogram an entire community," said Margaret Cooke, who left the sect with seven of her eight children near the end of 1994. The children "are so naive and they have been sheltered to the point that they don't even trust their own judgment."

[jon1856]

Rangers talk with polygamist ranch suspect

ELDORADO, Texas (CNN) -- Texas Rangers on Saturday met with -- but did not arrest -- the man accused by a teenage girl of physically and sexually abusing her at a polygamist compound.
Arizona probation officials said the meeting with Dale Evans Barlow, 50, happened just across the Arizona state line in St. George, Utah.
"The Texas Rangers met with him. He was allowed to go, and no arrest was made," said Friend Walker, director of the Mojave County, Arizona, probation office.
Barlow's attorney, Bruce Griffen, said the meeting was voluntary
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/12/...rss_topstories

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Well I do believe this is the first time I have ever seen Mods hi-jack a thread.

Wait.

I've been on the road and this is the first time I've posted.


Seriously, I've just watched a couple of days worth of coverage and my question is where are the men?

I've only seen wives interviewed, and some of the speech patterns and body language are nearly scary. Very robotic. Rehearsed? Staged?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Wait.

I've been on the road and this is the first time I've posted.


Seriously, I've just watched a couple of days worth of coverage and my question is where are the men?

I've only seen wives interviewed, and some of the speech patterns and body language are nearly scary. Very robotic. Rehearsed? Staged?

The men have definitely taken the back seat and it seems to be both due to the gender norms in their sect and also about what appeals to the "court of public opinion."

They showed a few men at the court hearing the other day and interviewed a couple of them. However, it seems like the women (surprise, surprise) are taking a lot of the blame for this and are the ones who are very visible because they are appealing on behalf of motherhood/what's supposedly best for the kids.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

...and some of the speech patterns and body language are nearly scary. Very robotic. Rehearsed? Staged?

I forgot one word: brainwashed.

There's something not natural.

As for the timing and the way this was carried out, I strongly suspect that somewhere in the future, we will find out that there is a lot more beneath the surface of this story than we know right now.

What that might be, I wouldn't care to speculate -- and under the circumstances, neither should the media or the rest of us.

[PM_Mama00]

Brainwashed is exactly what I was thinking.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

As for the timing and the way this was carried out, I strongly suspect that somewhere in the future, we will find out that there is a lot more beneath the surface of this story than we know right now.

What that might be, I wouldn't care to speculate -- and under the circumstances, neither should the media or the rest of us.

I'll speculate though... in that I'm pretty sure that there'll be a Canadian connection to this whole thing.

There was a split in the FLDS of sorts up in Canada with the enclave in Bountiful being split between Jeffs and Bishop Winston Blackmore... a split that saw the airing of some "dirty laundry" in the political and theological snipping between the two. It was even suggested in the media two years ago that Winston was helping the RCMP and FBI by feeding them info about Jeffs activities.

Regardless, the RCMP, BC Attorney General, and CSIS have all had a long and healthy interest in the group, investigating allegations of abuse dating back to the 80s... allegations supported by some of those who "defected" from the cult. Of course the problem then, as now, is that these allegations of abuse can't be pursued legally without a victim or witness willing to testify... and if the authorities happened to have a victim or witness come forward they'd certainly act on that a swoop in, all while (I assume) issuing vague or misleading public statements to protect the identity of their source(s) from retaliation by the fanatics within the cult.