Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Well, why don't you prove to me that the long list of books I have read were not written by communists? As quick as you are to dismiss my positions, you don't really need the list of actual books to do that do you?

Do you deny that Spain, under the regime of Ferdinand and Isabella who were wholly enamored of the Catholic Church, expelled Jews and tortured its own citizens to achieve a stronger empire in the name of religion? Are you a Holocaust denier too?

I am sorry, but I am not going to give you a bibliography of over a decade's study. If you want to get educated- go out and start reading for yourself. I am not vilifying every person who was ever a Catholic, but merely talking about the corruption that evolved when the Church became a major world power.

I'm not sure why you're focusing in on the Catholic church. There are plenty of other examples of murder and cruelty in (non-Catholic) Christianity. The Puritans had their witch trials, and the English had their burning-at-the-stake alternately in the name of Catholicism and Protestantism. The Church of England (now in the same body as Anglicans and Episcopalians) was essentially created by Henry VIII so he could divorce his wife and marry Anne Boleyn, who he beheaded later anyway with encouragement of the Church. Lots of executions and bad stuff in the name of religion, and not even close to always being Catholic.

[Drolefille]

EE-BO no one's asking for an education on a decade's worth of study, simply a few books or sources that support what you're saying since it is apparently something that many people here are unfamiliar with.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

EE-BO no one's asking for an education on a decade's worth of study, simply a few books or sources that support what you're saying since it is apparently something that many people here are unfamiliar with.

Well I, for one, am familiar with recent child molestation charges, but EE-BO made a claim about history 200+ years ago that he only seems to support with information from relatively recently or largely unnamed Spanish fiction from 500 years ago (and some of what he did list in this category didn't have anything to do with child molestation).

And I'm with RA Cooper on this one that the more EE-BO tries to justify what he's claimed, he just comes off as anti-Catholic.

I don't think anyone is minimizing the recently child abuse cases, which seems to be what EE-BO is pretending. It just doesn't actually prove what he claimed about history.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well I, for one, am familiar with recent child molestation charges, but EE-BO made a claim about history 200+ years ago that he only seems to support with information from relatively recently or largely unnamed Spanish fiction from 500 years ago (and some of what he did list in this category didn't have anything to do with child molestation).

And I'm with RA Cooper on this one that the more EE-BO tries to justify what he's claimed, he just comes off as anti-Catholic.

I don't think anyone is minimizing the recently child abuse cases, which seems to be what EE-BO is pretending. It just doesn't actually prove what he claimed about history.

Precisely I'm familiar with the recent cases but I'm not actually sure what EE-BO is alleging/claiming or what he's using to back it up. Or whether this was systemic within the Church or more isolated incidents of clergy abusing power.

Turning around and trying to justify one's claims by asking someone if they deny the cruelty of the Inquisition (something pointed more within the Church membership than outside of it) is changing the subject. I'm actually quite interested in reading "a decade's worth of research" (or whatever) if perhaps he could give me a few sources to start from.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm actually quite interested in reading "a decade's worth of research" (or whatever) if perhaps he could give me a few sources to start from.

Same here - I find Church history and politics actually very interesting so I'd love to delve into this "decade's worth of research" that covers bits I seemed to have missed.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

The Church of England (now in the same body as Anglicans and Episcopalians) was essentially created by Henry VIII so he could divorce his wife and marry Anne Boleyn, who he beheaded later anyway with encouragement of the Church.

I would say that was more w/ encouragement of certain key players/advisors, not the Church as a whole.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I would say that was more w/ encouragement of certain key players/advisors, not the Church as a whole.

True, he had advisors in the church, but Henry was in fact the head of the Church of England (so appointed by himself).