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Old 04-03-2008, 05:56 PM
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A big difference between Muslim and Western culture is that their Pat Robertsons, etc. are in important governmental and judicial positions.

Pat Robertson tried to run and was laughed off the stage.

Your comparisons don't really hold up.
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A big difference between Muslim and Western culture is that their Pat Robertsons, etc. are in important governmental and judicial positions.
Thats the thing though, you are seizing on the exceptions to prove a point - much like the Al Queda propaganda does when it seizes on exceptions in "Western" culture to construct an argument.

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Pat Robertson tried to run and was laughed off the stage.

Your comparisons don't really hold up.

... and yet the administration is still rife with Evangelicals and Fundamentalists, and President has no problem visiting a campus that celebrated Pope John Paul II's death on - the fact of the matter is that both the Al Queda tools and the "Christian" Right demagogues both use the same methodology in painting an image of "the faith and believers" being under siege by unbelievers and the forces of secularism, the only difference is in the application of "defense" given the respective parties geo-political and socio-economic standings on the global stage.

I have no doubt that if the respective political and economic positions where reversed that the "Christian" Right would happily engage in a 'Holy War' or Crusade of their own... and to some extent elements have been both officially and unofficially.

The only difference for us in seeing things is of course perspective, we can see and understand the nuances of the different ideologies that operate under the umbrella of "Christianity" and identify motivations and pressures other than pure religion, whereas many can't seem to do that when it comes to Islam - they only picture a select extremist and stereotypical Islam as being representative of the whole, when it is actually the exception by far.
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Thats the thing though, you are seizing on the exceptions to prove a point - much like the Al Queda propaganda does when it seizes on exceptions in "Western" culture to construct an argument.

Really??? If you want to call Iran, an Islamic "Republic" of 65 million people, the largest Shia country in the Islamic world the "exception," that's just being silly. No.. in Iran, there are thousands of Falwells in positions of power. The law is Sharia.

Iran is the rule, definitely not the exception.
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Really??? If you want to call Iran, an Islamic "Republic" of 65 million people, the largest Shia country in the Islamic world the "exception," that's just being silly. No.. in Iran, there are thousands of Falwells in positions of power. The law is Sharia.

Iran is the rule, definitely not the exception.
Sorry but population wise and area wise Iran an exception when compared to all the other 'Islamic' countries and populations around the globe...

I'm sure you (and Georgie) would love to believe that Iran is representative of all Islamic countries, but it isn't by a long shot - it's representative of the fundamentalist impact on Shi'a Islam that saw the Ulema class deposed in favour of a "common man" approach to understanding the Qu'ran...
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Some of Iran's Islamic extremists are still blowing stuff up. I'm not sure what the point of debate is beyond that.
... and some of America's Christian extremists are still blowing stuff up as well (Christian Identity and Christian Patriots) as well as supporting extremists abroad.

One thing to keep in mind that many of the car bombing and funeral/service attack techniques where borrowed directly from "Christian" terror groups (IRA and UVF respectfully), although thankfully it doesn't appear that Al Queda has borrowed the "force" suicide bombing/proxy bombing technique used by the IRA yet...
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Hamas TV puppet 'kills' Bush as revenge for U.S., Israeli actions
By The Associated Press
In a Hamas TV production for Palestinian children, a puppet stabs U.S. President George Bush to death in revenge for American and Israeli actions.

The children's puppet aired Sunday, part of series called "Exceptionals."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/970562.html
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