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Old 03-18-2008, 09:29 PM
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35 mins worth of wasted words...huh?
35 minutes 20 years too late perhaps?
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:00 PM
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35 minutes 20 years too late perhaps?
20 years too late? Do you mean Obama should have known by ESP that when he began attending the church that his pastor would make these comments?

And I don't think there are enough churches in a community for a person to think that they can find one where they agree 100% with everything the pastor says. How many people would attend church if that meant you endorsed everything that the head of the church said up there? I don't think that most people want to attend a church where there isn't a dialogue in between its members as to what their religious texts mean. If you go to church only to validate your own beliefs and make sure you don't run into any contrary opinions, then I don't think you're (1) very bright, or (2) a very valuable member to any congregation.

And if you do think that church is about being with a group of people that don't disagree on anything, then that's great.. but open your mind up to the possibility that other people do things differently and maybe in Obama's church, people aren't pressured to have a uniform, carbon copy, litmus test of beliefs. Sure, it is okay to expect that certain central tenants of a belief system are shared, but I don't think that's what we're talking about here. This is a pastor sharing his opinion on how his faith translates into politics. I don't think that we have the right to expect (or should expect) that a politician is going to listen to his or her religious leader in making religious decisions. If that's what we wanted it, why not skip the middle man and just put the religious figure in office? There's a reason we don't and for that reason we need to give politicians a little slack if they don't agree 100% with every political opinion that their religious beliefs or chosen religious advisers express.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:40 PM
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20 years too late? Do you mean Obama should have known by ESP that when he began attending the church that his pastor would make these comments?

And I don't think there are enough churches in a community for a person to think that they can find one where they agree 100% with everything the pastor says. How many people would attend church if that meant you endorsed everything that the head of the church said up there? I don't think that most people want to attend a church where there isn't a dialog in between its members as to what their religious texts mean. If you go to church only to validate your own beliefs and make sure you don't run into any contrary opinions, then I don't think you're (1) very bright, or (2) a very valuable member to any congregation.

And if you do think that church is about being with a group of people that don't disagree on anything, then that's great.. but open your mind up to the possibility that other people do things differently and maybe in Obama's church, people aren't pressured to have a uniform, carbon copy, litmus test of beliefs. Sure, it is okay to expect that certain central tenants of a belief system are shared, but I don't think that's what we're talking about here. This is a pastor sharing his opinion on how his faith translates into politics. I don't think that we have the right to expect (or should expect) that a politician is going to listen to his or her religious leader in making religious decisions. If that's what we wanted it, why not skip the middle man and just put the religious figure in office? There's a reason we don't and for that reason we need to give politicians a little slack if they don't agree 100% with every political opinion that their religious beliefs or chosen religious advisers express.
Be it a week, a month, a year, 5 years whatever number you feel is correct and/or accurate-OK?
But I still believe what I said, based upon just what I said "people that I know".
I never said that one has to agree with everything but one wants to feel at home, comfortable, at easy in their place of worship. Perhaps one could just about say one should.
And if you do not, well see my post above.
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