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[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I don't think it's ok to expect somebody to serve in the military just because their father did.

I dont think it's ok for someone who ducked serving in the military properly to make light of those who are serving especially being the one that sent them there in the first place.

[bluefish81]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I don't think it's ok to expect somebody to serve in the military just because their father did.

I would agree with that statement, but it's often thought that Bush (like some others in his era) joined the N.G. at that time to avoid being drafted. His student eligiblility from being drafted was about up when he entered. I don't expect someone to serve in the military just "because their dad did."
My own dad was drafted during Vietnam and discharge/ineligible for medical reasons. Like many people, both of my grandfathers served in WWII.

I guess I still don't understand what are his circumstances? That he could barely pass the pilot exam?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by bluefish81

I would agree with that statement, but it's often thought that Bush (like some others in his era) joined the N.G. at that time to avoid being drafted. His student eligiblility from being drafted was about up when he entered. I don't expect someone to serve in the military just "because their dad did."
My own dad was drafted during Vietnam and discharge/ineligible for medical reasons. Like many people, both of my grandfathers served in WWII.

I guess I still don't understand what are his circumstances? That he could barely pass the pilot exam?

Bush's military record: http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

awol allegations: http://www.factcheck.org/democratic_...n_against.html

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feat...rds/index.html

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Same here.

However, just in case I haven't mentioned it elsewhere, I do like George.

I don't have a problem with Bush saying support the troops

(God you guys are clowns)

I DO have a problem with him making light of it...again..ESPECIALLY knowing he had a chance to do it....in light of his situation?

Given his daddy's connections he could have lived the romantic dream during his youth instead of allegedly patrolling the dangerous skies of Texas.

[bowsandtoes]

This is exactly why I'm voting for McCain, he's the only person running who hasn't any deal what war actually entails. While McCain was a POW in Vietnam, Obama was toking up and doing lines in Jakarta. Now tell me which one better qualifies you for office?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

This is exactly why I'm voting for McCain, he's the only person running who hasn't any deal what war actually entails. While McCain was a POW in Vietnam, Obama was toking up and doing lines in Jakarta. Now tell me which one better qualifies you for office?

One's past doesn't ALWAYS define your present....if anything your past shapes your present...amazing analogy you pose there, but still is it not amazing that someone who DID drugs and admitted to the mistakes that he made, did what was needed to change his lifestyle...AS A TEEN mind you, could still be in a position to become president of the US....

Hell Gee Dub still doesn't talk candidly about his alcohol induced times as an adult nor have we heard a PEEP about his daughters since term one....except one is getting married.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Though I understand Bush wanting to boost the spirits of those on the front lines and show his appreciation, I find his comments incredibly condescending. The man probably cannot even begin to imagine what it's like for our troops over there, since he's never been in combat, so where does he get off telling them how "dreamy" they should feel? It would be better if he would just say "Thank You" and give them the respect they deserve.

Though our military has a lot of pride in what they do, there's no doubt that MANY of our men and women do not want to be there...in the desert for years, watching their friends get their limbs blown off and fearing for their own lives every day. Oh, and then when they finally get home from war, their govt. sticks them in some of the crummiest hospitals around and offers them little in the way of counseling. George Bush had his chance to live like these men and women, but he didn't have the you-know-whats for it - I imagine many of them find his ramblings of "romantic" times on patrol absolutely laughable and out of touch, if not insulting.

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Though I understand Bush wanting to boost the spirits of those on the front lines and show his appreciation, I find his comments incredibly condescending. The man probably cannot even begin to imagine what it's like for our troops over there, since he's never been in combat, so where does he get off telling them how "dreamy" they should feel? It would be better if he would just say "Thank You" and give them the respect they deserve.

Though our military has a lot of pride in what they do, there's no doubt that MANY of our men and women do not want to be there...in the desert for years, watching their friends get their limbs blown off and fearing for their own lives every day. Oh, and then when they finally get home from war, their govt. sticks them in some of the crummiest hospitals around and offers them little in the way of counseling. George Bush had his chance to live like these men and women, but he didn't have the you-know-whats for it - I imagine many of them find his ramblings of "romantic" times on patrol absolutely laughable and out of touch, if not insulting.

EXACTLY. It's completely insulting to say that being on the front lines is "romantic". The man's been watching too many John Wayne movies and Patton to know the truth. Telling the people who have lost friends and compatriots that fighting is exciting and romantic is absurd. In the beginning, a lot of my friends in the Army were excited to go and fight. They had talked about preparing for war, but never actually getting to do it. A lot of them compared it to a surgeon, preparing through med school and residency, only to never operate in the "real world." Fast forward to today... when many of my friends have been on 3 or more tours. All of them. They have lost friends in the fight, they are leaving home for 15 months at a time, marriages are destroyed and parents no longer know their children. Not to mention that there has been no real clear plan of how to win this thing. It is extremely disheartening.

I have devoted a lot of time to offering mental health services to soldiers and their families in this time of war. I've heard it all. Not being able to sleep, when you do sleep, having terrible dreams, being jittery and accidentally pulling a weapon on your spouse when they come up behind you. If W would spend just 1 hour of time getting the real story from these folks, he would realize that what he said is probably the most asinine thing anyone has ever said.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

One's past doesn't ALWAYS define your present....if anything your past shapes your present...amazing analogy you pose there, but still is it not amazing that someone who DID drugs and admitted to the mistakes that he made, did what was needed to change his lifestyle...AS A TEEN mind you, could still be in a position to become president of the US....

Hell Gee Dub still doesn't talk candidly about his alcohol induced times as an adult nor have we heard a PEEP about his daughters since term one....except one is getting married.

So Bush's military service record is relevant but Obama's actions during the same times are not? You look down more upon somebody for serving in the national guard than for doing cocaine, I guess I just don't understand the double standard. If military service is truly important to you then I suppose you'll vote for McCain.

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

So Bush's military service record is relevant but Obama's actions during the same times are not? You look down more upon somebody for serving in the national guard than for doing cocaine, I guess I just don't understand the double standard. If military service is truly important to you then I suppose you'll vote for McCain.

I have no idea where you got your info from, but Obama was in grade school when he was in Jakarta. Nxt thing u know, ur going to tell us that he attended a militant madrasah.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

I have no idea where you got your info from, but Obama was in grade school when he was in Jakarta. Nxt thing u know, ur going to tell us that he attended a militant madrasah.

Moe...u know the scary part...is that there are people STILL trying to fit that square pegged peice you just said into a round hole of truth....

There are those who are still trying to fit his middle name to Muslim ties...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

So Bush's military service record is relevant but Obama's actions during the same times are not? You look down more upon somebody for serving in the national guard than for doing cocaine, I guess I just don't understand the double standard. If military service is truly important to you then I suppose you'll vote for McCain.

Dude...Obama was IN HIGH SCHOOL when his occurences happened....like you didn't do stupid things in high school...Bush was a grown @ssed man shirking service!!!!!

Bush was ALSO a grown adult and in various official positions when his alcoholism took place....
At least Obama had teh WISDOM to learn from it....Bush apparently never passed whatever he learned from it down to his daughters...

So given the 2....I say double standard doesn't work, here.....

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Dude...Obama was IN HIGH SCHOOL when his occurences happened....like you didn't do stupid things in high school...Bush was a grown @ssed man shirking service!!!!!

Bush was ALSO a grown adult and in various official positions when his alcoholism took place....
At least Obama had teh WISDOM to learn from it....Bush apparently never passed whatever he learned from it down to his daughters...

So given the 2....I say double standard doesn't work, here.....

I didn't do drugs... it puts money in the hands of street gangs and cartels, alcohol doesn't do that.
I would hardly call being drunk a few times and getting a DUI alcoholism, just bad luck. Nor would I consider his daughters alcoholics just because they got caught drinking underage, if you can show evidence to their being alcoholics I'd be interested.
Still, you'll be voting for the guy with the better service record though?

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

This is exactly why I'm voting for McCain, he's the only person running who hasn't any deal what war actually entails. While McCain was a POW in Vietnam, Obama was toking up and doing lines in Jakarta. Now tell me which one better qualifies you for office?

Hmm, a guy in pow camp or a grade schooler doing drugs in a foreign country. I'd say none of them are qualified.

Lt. Kelly is more qualified then McCain or Obama if you look at how hardcore one is. He, after all, massacred an entire village.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

Hmm, a guy in pow camp or a grade schooler doing drugs in a foreign country. I'd say none of them are qualified.

Lt. Kelly is more qualified then McCain or Obama if you look at how hardcore one is. He, after all, massacred an entire village.

You mean William Calley? Or have I missed a news story?

You're a sick pup.