Sorositute

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl

It was not the purpose, but I personally don't think my founders were deities. I'm sure that, somewhere along the line, they said/did things they shouldn't have done. Actually, I know so, and it's part of why I appreciate Alpha Gam. It's REAL.

"To possess high ideals and to attain somewhat unto them".

So, they'd be cool with sorositute? Okay. I'll take your word for it.

I'm far from a deity, and my founders were all too human, but I don't think that means we have to settle for that which is demeaning or insults women. I don't see "sorositute" as defining the highest form of womanhood in any way, shape, or form. My creed is absolutely "REAL" and something that I strive for, whether or not I always obtain it.

The exact context for the beginning of this discussion was the idea that equality with men meant indulging in the kind of bantering some men do, insulting each other "just for fun". (Not, I hasten to add, that all men think this is acceptable. But several on GC have indicated that this is in fact the norm for their peer group.) I still don't think that was what most women pioneers in education had in mind as they set forth to prove they were the intellectual equals of men. I refuse to believe that wanting to be treated as intellectual equals means that we have to accept being insulted. For what it is worth, I don't allow my sons to use demeaning language with each other, or about anyone else. To me, it's not a male or female issue, it's one of simple human respect.

And that said, let's not make this something it's not. All of my Syracuse Triad cousins, and my NPC ones, too, can take pride in the strides made by their founders in promoting the real, concrete, and totally realistic view of women and their abilities.

eta - Let me say I think ALL sorority members can take pride in their GLOs achievements - I'm just most familiar with NPC.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

So, they'd be cool with sorositute? Okay. I'll take your word for it.

I'm far from a deity, and my founders were all too human, but I don't think that means we have to settle for that which is demeaning or insults women. I don't see "sorositute" as defining the highest form of womanhood in any way, shape, or form. My creed is absolutely "REAL" and something that I strive for, whether or not I always obtain it.

The exact context for the beginning of this discussion was the idea that equality with men meant indulging in the kind of bantering some men do, insulting each other "just for fun". (Not, I hasten to add, that all men think this is acceptable. But several on GC have indicated that this is in fact the norm for their peer group.) I still don't think that was what most women pioneers in education had in mind as they set forth to prove they were the intellectual equals of men. I refuse to believe that wanting to be treated as intellectual equals means that we have to accept being insulted. For what it is worth, I don't allow my sons to use demeaning language with each other, or about anyone else. To me, it's not a male or female issue, it's one of simple human respect.

And that said, let's not make this something it's not. All of my Syracuse Triad cousins, and my NPC ones, too, can take pride in the strides made by their founders in promoting the real, concrete, and totally realistic view of women and their abilities.

eta - Let me say I think ALL sorority members can take pride in their GLOs achievements - I'm just most familiar with NPC.

Did I say that and can you quote me on it?

My point was that I do not think "sorostitute" is going to bring down all women and set us back to the 1800's.

And I'd love to take this time to point out that every time I've heard the word, it's been women who have used it. If you want to get so upset over "ho" and such, talk to your fellow females, first. They are just as likely, if not more so, to use those words in public.

I'm just never going to be convinced that it's the big of a deal. I'll save my righteous anger for things like genocide, for instance.

[bejazd]

I think most of us can agree that our founders...of all of our greek letter orgs, would be appalled at the idea of fraternity men or women referring to sorority women as sorostitutes.

IMO, women like me...Gen X and later...have grown up with the concept that we were equal to men and could do anything a man could do. Even cuss or be promiscuous or provocative in all kinds of ways that shock our elders. I've had a long running joke with a pledge sister based on the whole "Jane you ignorant slut" thing for years. But as I get older, it's not nearly as funny as it was when we were 19.

One difference that still remains in my opinion, is that men can talk trash to each other on the field or in the locker room or even in the workplace, and quickly gt over it. Women don't. We remember those words and take them much closer to heart than we want to admit. While we can't control what men will say about us, we sure can do something about our own behavior. There's just nothing to be gained from calling our sisters degrading names, even when we attach the "just kidding" to the end of it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bejazd

We remember those words and take them much closer to heart than we want to admit.

The same applies to men.

They've just been taught to laugh it off and not express how it makes them feel.

[I think the potential offense from "sorostitute" stands alone without comparing men and women.]