Divine 9 For Obama t-shirts

DSTCHAOS · #1 03-06-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ljkelly

I actually like the shirt and I bought it...I feel what everyone is saying about making a buck off the orgs but I liked the fact that 25% went to the campaign and that it is cute. I heard yesterday about the letter to the company so I probably won't even get the shirt if they are told to stop making them...

This is why there needs to be a centralized "force" to keep companies from making and distributing these things. Individual members can't be left to their own devices.

ljkelly · #2 03-06-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This is why there needs to be a centralized "force" to keep companies from making and distributing these things. Individual members can't be left to their own devices.

Individual members can't be left to their own devices? Hmm, okay...while I said I understand the point being made about companies making money off the orgs and that it could be a "slippery slope" but that is something that is already done with vendors all over who are not getting clearance from nationals. I see thongs with letters on them and I know that no one's nationals said that was okay...I made the decision to buy the shirt because I think it is for a good cause and it, in my opinion, did not represent the org in a negative light.

DSTCHAOS · #3 03-06-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ljkelly

Individual members can't be left to their own devices? Hmm, okay......I made the decision to buy the shirt because I think it is for a good cause and it, in my opinion, did not represent the org in a negative light.

So you agree with me.

ljkelly · #4 03-06-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So you agree with me.

No, I can't say that I do...I believe that I can be left to my "own devices".

DSTCHAOS · #5 03-06-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ljkelly

No, I can't say that I do...I believe that I can be left to my "own devices".

Until it came to buying this shirt.

These things aren't up to what individual members think are cute or cool. That's why we have national entities and the NPHC body to regulate these things where individual members and those who inappropriately want to profit from us lack the ability to do so.

Ms Public Service · #6 03-06-2008, 02:25 PM

Does anybody know if the person who made the Tshirts is a member of Obama campagin?

ljkelly · #7 03-06-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Until it came to buying this shirt.

Hey, I am not trying to be nasty here and I am guessing by the

you put by your comments you aren't either but I offered my opinion just like everyone else not attacking anyone. You don't agree with my decision and that is fine, I am not asking you to.

I do understand your point and I have stated that several times in my posts.

DSTCHAOS · #8 03-06-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ljkelly

my opinion

You don't agree with my decision

Once again, this isn't about individual members' opinions. It isn't about whether you and I agree or disagree.

Score another one for our national bodies' ability to regulate where individual members can't see the forest through the trees.

5Knowledge1913 · #9 03-07-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ljkelly

Individual members can't be left to their own devices? Hmm, okay...while I said I understand the point being made about companies making money off the orgs and that it could be a "slippery slope" but that is something that is already done with vendors all over who are not getting clearance from nationals. I see thongs with letters on them and I know that no one's nationals said that was okay...I made the decision to buy the shirt because I think it is for a good cause and it, in my opinion, did not represent the org in a negative light.

Sistergreek, I do not think that any one is trying to attack you.

The problem with that shirt, as cute as it may be, is that if someone were to see you wearing it, with AKA symbols on it, it could imply that AKA was supporting a candidate which would be electioneering and could cause your organization to lose its tax exemption.

Yes, I've seen thongs and other crap with our letters on it, however, those things may not cause the organization to lose its tax exempt status. They are tacky yes, but the IRS doesn't care about a thong with AKA on it, but it does care about a tshirt stating that AKA supports Obama, Clinton, Nader or any one else.

Whether the entire organization supports the person or not is irrelevant, all it takes is one person wearing that shirt to cause a stir (as it has!).

jojapeach · #10 03-07-2008, 11:51 AM

^^^ Your tone is more civil than some.

The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

DSTCHAOS · #11 03-07-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jojapeach

^^^ Your tone is more civil than some.

Matter of perception.

And the point is still the same.

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Originally Posted by jojapeach

The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

I wonder if some of the proceeds really go to the Obama campaign. People get money all the time by pretending proceeds are forwarded to a larger cause.

ComradesTrue · #12 03-07-2008, 12:04 PM

Please pardon the crash.

Even though he changed the name of the website, the shirts are still the same. (??) Therefore, it still appears that these shirts could threaten your tax-exempt status, no?

As someone who has worked for a non-profit before, let me tell ya... you really have to watch how people use your name, because their misuse can cause your organization serious trouble.

5Knowledge1913 · #13 03-07-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jojapeach

^^^ Your tone is more civil than some.

The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

Looks like a lawsuit may be in the making, because the shirts are the same, which was the whole point of the letter from NPHC. This person is simply determined to make a buck.

ladygreek · #14 03-07-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 5Knowledge1913

Looks like a lawsuit may be in the making, because the shirts are the same, which was the whole point of the letter from NPHC. This person is simply determined to make a buck.

I have a feeling that each org will have to go after the vendor to protect its own IRS status.

ladygreek · #15 03-07-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jojapeach

^^^ Your tone is more civil than some.

The site is now http://www.greeksunitedforobama.com/home.html, and he added a disclaimer about not being affiliated wth NPHC. Interesting that there are links to the Obama website on his website as well as if Sen. Obama might be okay with this website...

Why wouldn't he be? He is not a member of a BGLO and therefore probably does not know the rules that govern us. To him, it is another vehicle of support and campaign funds.