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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek
Making what up?! How in the hell can I make up an opinion?!
I said hazers justify actions that are outside the range of human behavior. I hardly would classify what you posted, hazing.
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Really? Try looking at your own definition of hazing:
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It's black and white, because it involves a group's request (or the request of individuals within that group that the person in a subservient position perceives to be important) that a potential new member take some action in order to be held in esteem by the group and/or to gain entrance into an organization. I think request defined as hazing can be explicit, or implicit, either way it's hazing and it's wrong.
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I described each of those scenarios to fit within your offered definition. Perhaps it's not so "black and white" after all?