The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I think my folks (conservatives) need to give up the inexperience thing and the muslim-ties thing. There are plenty of other things we can go after Obama on.

I completely agree about the Muslim ties things: it just seems stupid and ignorant.

But the inexperience thing seems a whole lot more valid to me. I wouldn't put them both in the same category.

Obama as a person makes a favorable impression on me. It's only when you look at his actual record that he's problematic: first because it's a little insubstantial (although H. Clinton's isn't much better) then because he's been much more liberal in some areas than I think any conservative would want (as have been both Hillary and McCain, but McCain emerges as the most conservative of three)

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I completely agree about the Muslim ties things: it just seems stupid and ignorant.

But the inexperience thing seems a whole lot more valid to me. I wouldn't put them both in the same category.

Obama as a person makes a favorable impression on me. It's only when you look at his actual record that he's problematic: first because it's a little insubstantial (although H. Clinton's isn't much better) then because he's been much more liberal in some areas than I think any conservative would want (as do both Hillary and McCain, but McCain emerges as the most conservative of three)

Experience is a reasonable discussion, I just thing we're focusing too much on this. Lets talk about Obama, the liberal, whose beliefs are at fundamental odds with millions and millions of Americans.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Experience is a reasonable discussion, I just thing we're focusing too much on this. Lets talk about Obama, the liberal, whose beliefs are at fundamental odds with millions and millions of Americans.

And, polls are showing that they think Clinton is more experienced, but they're still voting for Obama, so at least among Democrats experience won't convince them to switch their vote.

[jon1856]

The following are the links that I used to start this thread.
Just bumped them so new posters could see and perhaps make some use of them.
From the Washington Post-Their coverage section:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2...al-candidates/

Washington Post Politics main page:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/politics/

White House 2008 candidate rankings
Rating the presidential candidates in light of recent conditions
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16711490/

MSNBC's Politics main page:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/

CNN's Politics main page:
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

Fox's Politics main page:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html

Reuters Politics main page:
http://www.reuters.com/news/politics

From The Rasmussen Report site-

Rasmussen Reports is an electronic publishing firm specializing in the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information.
Rasmussen Reports was the nation's most accurate polling firm during the Presidential election and the only one to project both Bush and Kerry's vote total within half a percentage point of the actual outcome.

"The most comprhensive public opinion coverage ever provided"
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/politics.htm
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/currentEvents.htm

http://www.uspoliticsguide.com/

http://realclearpolitics.com/

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

(as have been both Hillary and McCain, but McCain emerges as the most conservative of three)

that's a very obvious statement....LOL


and of course there are some conservatives that don't think that he is conservative enough....heh!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

that's a very obvious statement....LOL


and of course there are some conservatives that don't think that he is conservative enough....heh!

I think most conservatives don't think he's conservative enough, but what are their choices?

I think that's what I was trying to get at with my statement of the obvious.

I wonder if we weren't in Iraq if a lot of conservative voters would just stay home.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I think most conservatives don't think he's conservative enough, but what are their choices?

I think that's what I was trying to get at with my statement of the obvious.

I wonder if we weren't in Iraq if a lot of conservative voters would just stay home.

dayumed good question......I wonder also how things would be different if it was edwards vs clinton

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

dayumed good question......I wonder also how things would be different if it was edwards vs clinton

You mean, you wonder if either Edwards or Clinton could get people to the polls vs. McCain?

I like Edwards much less than Obama, but I'm not particularly likely to vote for either.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding what you meant.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You mean, you wonder if either Edwards or Clinton could get people to the polls vs. McCain?

I like Edwards much less than Obama, but I'm not particularly likely to vote for either.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding what you meant.

if people would be paying this much attention to the election if edwards was in instead of Obama.

[UGAalum94]

I don't think there'd be as much positive coverage if Obama weren't in the race. I think a lot of people, particularly in the media, are kind of desperate for someone to believe in after so many years of kind of compromised, tainted, or just kind of unlikable candidates. Obama is allowing some of them to set aside some of their cynicism, and they're really enjoying it.

I'm not sure that it would equal a solidly good presidency if he is elected but it's making the campaign better for some.

[nittanyalum]

Hillary is Jon Stewart's guest on tonight's TDS...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Hillary is Jon Stewart's guest on tonight's TDS...

Hillary who?

ehehehehehe

[DaemonSeid]

Ok...knowing that McCain pretty much has the GOP nomination, what kind of tactic would it be for Republican voters to 'pick' Hillary to help her win the DNC nomination and therefore setting her up to fall against McCain?

Would they be smart playing the numbers game?

Knowing that right now if the national elections were today, that Hillary has a lesser chance against McCain than Obama does, what kind of move would this be on the GOPs part to encourage this?


Limbaugh Urges Republicans to Vote for Hillary


http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/r.../28/76379.html

[srmom]

The word on the street here in Texas (at least at my primary voting spot) is that MANY republicans are voting for Hillary to keep her in the race. The line to vote democrat was twice as long as the repub line, and there were neighbors who I know are not dem leaning who were in it.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by srmom

The word on the street here in Texas (at least at my primary voting spot) is that MANY republicans are voting for Hillary to keep her in the race. The line to vote democrat was twice as long as the repub line, and there were neighbors who I know are not dem leaning who were in it.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I saw one blog story last night that suggested that Ron Paul might be more likely to keep his congressional seat than he otherwise might be because many of the more mainstream Republicans who are attracted to voting for his primary opponent are more concerned about voting in the Democratic primary.