Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

Again, I feel that if every chapter who felt compelled to do so followed this advice...well national GLO's would become pretty scarce. It is not abnormal (from what I have seen) to feel the way my chapter does. It's just the way it is.

ETA: It's not that we hate nationals or even really dislike them. It's just that we will always do what benefits our chapter, regardless of nationals' policy. It's not something we actively think about or anything.

So you're basically (insert fraternity affiliation) chapter of (insert chapter designation) sorority. Almost like your chapter is bigger than the sorority.

Bad idea. But I see it a lot with GLOs and BGLOs. Often from people who have not had any activity with the organization since they graduated. Their idea of organizational dues are when they give back to, and visit, their home chapter.

For BLGOs, this is frowned upon in particular because that is not what a lifetime commitment is about and it goes against our Founding principles and respect for the National entity. Giving back to, and visiting, your home chapter is expected for most of us but organizational dues are paid to the national body--and only through the chapter of current affiliation/member-at-large.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So you're basically (insert fraternity affiliation) chapter of (insert chapter designation) sorority. Almost like your chapter is bigger than the sorority.

Bad idea. But I see it a lot with GLOs and BGLOs. Often from people who have not had any activity with the organization since they graduated. Their idea of organizational dues are when they give back to, and visit, their home chapter.

For BLGOs, this is frowned upon in particular because that is not what a lifetime commitment is about and it goes against our Founding principles and respect for the National entity. Giving back to, and visiting, your home chapter is expected for most of us but organizational dues are paid to the national body--and only through the chapter of current affiliation/member-at-large.

I think he's an active fraternity member right now, so it seems a little bit more reasonable to be wrapped around the specific chapter, especially if you aren't NPHC.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I think he's an active fraternity member right now, so it seems a little bit more reasonable to be wrapped around the specific chapter, especially if you aren't NPHC.

I know he's an active.

It isn't more reasonable to be wrapped around the specific chapter if that means you don't consider nonchapter members your brothers.

It isn't just frowned upon in the NPHC--that's a fact. I just typed from the standpoint of an NPHC member to illustrate why it is frowned upon for us.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It isn't more reasonable to be wrapped around the specific chapter if that means you don't consider nonchapter members your brothers.

It isn't just frowned upon in the NPHC--that's a fact. I just typed from the standpoint of an NPHC member to illustrate why it is frowned upon for us.

I agree with your first point at the level of not considering other members from different chapters your brothers, but I think that valuing your own chapter as a special thing and being a little more devoted to it, particularly when you are an undergraduate member of an undergraduate chapter, is pretty normal for NPC or IFC groups. For a lot of us, the chapter IS the group for all practical purposes when you're an undergrad.

Sure, most of us love the national or international group as well and love meeting members of other chapters, but as an undergrad, your chapter is your home. ETA: it's when you're an alum that I think most of us start thinking about the international organization as a whole more than a particular chapter, I think.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I agree with your first point at the level of not considering other members from different chapters your brothers, but I think that valuing your own chapter as a special thing and being a little more devoted to it, particularly when you are an undergraduate member of an undergraduate chapter, is pretty normal for NPC or IFC groups. For a lot of us, the chapter IS the group for all practical purposes when you're an undergrad.

Good. Our chapters are special to us, too, but Delta did not begin and does not end with my chapter.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Sure, most of us love the national or international group as well and love meeting members of other chapters, but as an undergrad, your chapter is your home.

That's obvious and I already said that.

Are you just trying to "defend" sasquatch or something? You were typing to sasquatch about this stuff and all of a sudden you're acting like feeling your chapter is the end-all and be-all is the norm.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Good. Our chapters are special to us, too, but Delta did not begin and does not end with my chapter.

That's obvious and I already said that.

Are you just trying to "defend" sasquatch or something? You were typing to sasquatch about this stuff and all of a sudden you're acting like feeling your chapter is the end-all and be-all is the norm.

Not really, I'm just trying to keep from blowing all the claims out of proportion. It's odd to me, as I noted to him, that groups who feel this way don't break off, but that doesn't mean we need to give a bunch of lectures about how undergraduate guys ought to feel about their national groups.

I think it's very different to be an an undergrad active member and to be an alum. And whether it's desirable or not, from the undergraduate perspective for NPC and IFC groups, the chapter matters a lot.

ETA: again, for most of us we regard ourselves as members of national or international groups and take a lot of pride in the organization and our sisters and brothers from other chapters.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Not really, I'm just trying to keep from blowing all the claims out of proportion.

Don't bother. If you want to be the only one typing to him and to control the convo, PM him.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I think it's very different to be an an undergrad active member and to be an alum. And whether it's desirable or not, from the undergraduate perspective for NPC and IFC groups the chapter matters a lot.

Yes, it's supposed to be different.

Againnnnnn, the chapter matters a lot to us too.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

ETA: again, for most of us we regard ourselves as members of national or international groups and take a lot of pride in the organization and our sisters and brothers from other chapters.

Yeah so stick to that "norm" and let sasquatch and others be the ones to explain their approach if they so choose.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

ETA: it's when you're an alum that I think most of us start thinking about the international organization as a whole more than a particular chapter, I think.

That's a problem for all types of Greeks and usually happens when people exist in a bubble, whether that's because they are elitist, antisocial, or have poor social skills, etc.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That's a problem for all types of Greeks and usually happens when people exist in a bubble, whether that's because they are elitist, antisocial, or have poor social skills, etc.

You make points like this a lot it seems to me.

You, as you present yourself here, never seem particularly deferential to the direct experience of other people or how people explain their situations if it differs from your own interpretation, and yet, you seem to think that some people transcend to universal understanding more than others. How does this work?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You, as you present yourself here, never seem particularly deferential to the direct experience of other people or how people explain their situations if it differs from your own interpretation, and yet, you seem to think that some people transcend to universal understanding more than others.

How come I can never find that kettle around here when I need it...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

How does this work?

The same way that trying so hard to defend sasquatch's position works.

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So you're basically (insert fraternity affiliation) chapter of (insert chapter designation) sorority. Almost like your chapter is bigger than the sorority.
.

I'm a guy, just to set that straight.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

I'm a guy, just to set that straight.

Yeah I had edited the fraternity part and forget I had typed "sorority" two other times.

Sorority...fraternity...same point.

[pbear19]

To sasquatch or anyone else who thinks similarly about chapter vs. National: If your chapter goes through a big change over say a 5 year period, and the group of members 5 years after you are very much unlike your current brothers, would you not consider them brothers then, because they aren't like you and you don't know them? Or does the chapter itself lend enough importance to the brotherhood that internal chapter shifts are inconsequential?