Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[33girl]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

Khakis are just as warm as jeans...

Sorry, but I don't believe that wearing jeans is appropriate for any career holding adult with GOOD TASTE in a social situation. I never said anything about ties or dress pants. Khakis are not dress pants. Jeans here bring up connotation of the blue collar working class or adolescence and those are both something to be avoided in many social circles (eg, Greek alumni).

So what you're saying is, you can't be blue collar and a Greek alumnus? Only blue collar people wear jeans? Greeks avoid socializing with blue collar people? My God, you ARE an idiot. Some of those "blue collar" people are probably making more than you'll EVER make, and far more committed to their community.

See, this is what sticks in a lot of people's craws when the southern posters start in - you seem to think being a shallow snob and judging people by the way they dress is an asset. I don't deny that some of that goes on in Greek chapters and elsewhere in the north, but there's a difference between acknowledging it and wallowing in it. Any stupid schlub can put on what is basically a uniform and fake his way into your circles if he really wants to.

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by 33girl

So what you're saying is, you can't be blue collar and a Greek alumnus?

Only blue collar people wear jeans? Greeks avoid socializing with blue collar people? My God, you ARE an idiot. Some of those "blue collar" people are probably making more than you'll EVER make, and far more committed to their community.

See, this is what sticks in a lot of people's craws when the southern posters start in - you seem to think being a shallow snob and judging people by the way they dress is an asset. I don't deny that some of that goes on in Greek chapters and elsewhere in the north, but there's a difference between acknowledging it and wallowing in it. Any stupid schlub can put on what is basically a uniform and fake his way into your circles if he really wants to.

Just keep on talking, darling. I told you I was done, and I am.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

I think everything has been covered as far as this mini-debate goes, so I'm just gonna say this: If you go to an SEC school, then you probably get what I'm talking about. If you don't go to an SEC school (even if it is in the South), you probably don't get it and if you don't get it right away then you never will. I just realized it's pointless to keep arguing about all this South/North stuff because one side will always be "right". I think you look like an idiot in your faded designer jeans and your ugly striped untucked button down with frankenstein square shoes. You think I look like an idiot in my khakis, oxford and loafers.

Way to overgeneralize and miss the point there. I don't think you look like an idiot, although your posts sure don't help the perception that you act like one.

I didn't go to an SEC school, but having lived in the South longer than you've been alive, I do get it. Better than you, I bet. I also get that there is a lot more to the South than the SEC.

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I also get that there is a lot more to the South than the SEC.

You're exactly right. There's also SEC football and bourbon.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

You're exactly right. There's also SEC football and bourbon.

Should this be follow up with a "Praise God"? It sort of seems like it should.

From a fraternity rush perspective, I think there are more similarities across the SEC than there are differences about what would be acceptable dress.

If people in other regions find that boring or impractical, that's just fine. Other than on online chat boards, I doubt the guys down here give it much thought or discussion.

MysticCat, I agree with there being a lot of difference across the south generally in Southern culture, but I'm not sure there's that big a difference in what fraternity chapters expect in dress. And it's a area where you probably ought to err on the side of being boring and predictable, at least until you are initiated.

It might be interesting if we could look at pictures of chapters, other than composites, to see. I think decade in, decade out, in the SEC it's a field of khakis/chinos, navy blue sport coats, and button downs for rush. But maybe I'd be surprised.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

No, you look fine. Just boring. And all the same.

You apparently do not appreciate the uniqueness and distinction that a well-chosen tie brings to the picture.

[srmom]

Sorry, but I don't believe that wearing jeans is appropriate for any career holding adult with GOOD TASTE in a social situation. I never said anything about ties or dress pants. Khakis are not dress pants. Jeans here bring up connotation of the blue collar working class or adolescence and those are both something to be avoided in many social circles

Maybe it's a Texas thing, or maybe it's just a maturity thing, but many people with extremely good taste, who are definitely not working-class wear jeans and t shirts.

I was at a high school basketball playoff game Tuesday night, and the stands were full of men who were in jeans and t shirts supporting our team. Most of these men were in fraternities while in college, all are college graduates, and all have executive level positions (unless they are ex-executives who took the golden parachute or trust funders who invested well, then they are unemployed).

While I will agree with you that at most social situations, such as dinner parties or get togethers, men are in dress pants or chinos, there are many other situations, beyond yard work or ranching, where men wear jeans.

I want to edit and add that last night while watching Project Runway, Michael Korrs described why he always wears jeans with a t shirt and sport coat. I would hardly call him blue collar!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You apparently do not appreciate the uniqueness and distinction that a well-chosen tie brings to the picture.

I'd appreciate the heck out of it in church. At a family dinner. In a restaurant (with your parents or grandparents). At a faculty function. At work. In a setting that would seem appropriate for a 22-year-old to don a tie.

But if you're talking about "well-chosen ties" distinguishing the chinos-clad loafer-wearing 22-year-olds at a standard social function (campus party, bar, football game, hanging out at the house), then no, I wouldn't "appreciate" it so much as think, "wow, those guys are UP-TIGHT." It's not that serious, fellas. You're 22. Throw on a tshirt and a pair of jeans and play some pick-up ball on the front yard. Throw some darts at the bar. Chill out, for heaven's sake, you have the rest of your life to make sure you get the stick stuck up there good and tight.

[srmom]

Chill out, for heaven's sake, you have the rest of your life to make sure you get the stick stuck up there good and tight.

hillarious and true

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I'd appreciate the heck out of it in church. At a family dinner. In a restaurant (with your parents or grandparents). At a faculty function. At work. In a setting that would seem appropriate for a 22-year-old to don a tie.

But if you're talking about "well-chosen ties" distinguishing the chinos-clad loafer-wearing 22-year-olds at a standard social function (campus party, bar, football game, hanging out at the house), then no, I wouldn't "appreciate" it so much as think, "wow, those guys are UP-TIGHT." It's not that serious, fellas. You're 22. Throw on a tshirt and a pair of jeans and play some pick-up ball on the front yard. Throw some darts at the bar. Chill out, for heaven's sake, you have the rest of your life to make sure you get the stick stuck up there good and tight.

Well, I think everyone in the SEC dresses up for football, although it looks like it may be a little less so than it used to be; with parties, it's just going to depend on the event; for being out at a bar I doubt they're wearing ties or sport coats, but it's probably a little better than t-shirts and jeans, but it depends on the bar; hanging out at the house probably is t-shirt and jeans.

I may need to go back and re-read the whole thread (well, picking up after the race debate stuff), but I don't think anyone said that college guys shouldn't wear jean in their day to day lives; just that a certain kind of SEC fraternity guy wouldn't be wearing them much after graduation, especially for social events.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by srmom

hillarious and true

I really think we could hang out, srmom.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by srmom

Maybe it's a Texas thing, or maybe it's just a maturity thing, but many people with extremely good taste, who are definitely not working-class wear jeans and t shirts.

I was at a high school basketball playoff game Tuesday night, and the stands were full of men who were in jeans and t shirts supporting our team. Most of these men were in fraternities while in college, all are college graduates, and all have executive level positions (unless they are ex-executives who took the golden parachute or trust funders who invested well, then they are unemployed).

While I will agree with you that at most social situations, such as dinner parties or get togethers, men are in dress pants or chinos, there are many other situations, beyond yard work or ranching, where men wear jeans.

I want to edit and add that last night while watching Project Runway, Michael Korrs described why he always wears jeans with a t shirt and sport coat. I would hardly call him blue collar!

Michael Korrs might not get a bid in a SEC rush. His interests probably don't line up with a lot of the guys.

I think you'd see adults wearing jeans at high school sporting events any place. I don't think you'd see t-shirts as much as you'd see polos with them around where I live, and I think collared shirts are probably more the norm on the kind of adult guy you described where I am.

I think jeans are probably way more common on adult, college educated, well-off, white-collar men in Texas than in Georgia, but it's not even as if adult people in Georgia are giving it a lot of thought, especially if they, like I do, live in an area with a lot of people from around the country. I don't think people are really that judgmental about what other people are wearing, especially in regard to men.

I want to add that I noted all that class related stuff not because I care, but just to clarify that I'm not trying to say that everyone in my little section of the south is less likely to wear jeans, just a certain little segment.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well, I think everyone in the SEC dresses up for football, although it looks like it may be a little less so than it used to be; with parties, it's just going to depend on the event; for being out at a bar I doubt they're wearing ties or sport coats, but it's probably a little better than t-shirts and jeans, but it depends on the bar; hanging out at the house probably is t-shirt and jeans.

Again, a lot of this is just plain WEATHER issues. Jeans can go in the washer & dryer & don't need to be ironed (well, at least the kind for guys we're talking about don't). Blazers need to be dry cleaned. If you wore any of that - or, on the feminine side, a dress - to a football game up here, you'd be regretting it really quickly, because 8 times out of 10, football games involve rain, snow, mud, hellacious wind, or all of the above. Same with going to a bar - lots of areas up here are hilly and a mess to navigate any time past October.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Michael Korrs might not get a bid in a SEC rush. His interests probably don't line up with a lot of the guys.

Oh my god, she never said he would!! We get that your frame of reference is the SEC, we get it!!!!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Oh my god, she never said he would!! We get that your frame of reference is the SEC, we get it!!!!

Right, but she mentioned him as if his fashion advice were somehow valuable in the context of this thread. I was largely joking, but the guys we're talking about really wouldn't care a flip about what he thought.

And if you get that the frame of reference is the SEC, why doesn't everyone lay off the "why does the the south want to pass judgment" angle that's played out here? Why are people arguing about what they wear other places?